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DaleHDeal
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Remington Hepburn Questions....
Jan 21st, 2008 at 8:31pm
 
Is there a diffenitive book on the Hepburns?  I kind of like the looks of the things and would like to do some research before I drop the money on one.  Is it as strong/accurate as the Highwall?  Along that same note, how are the DZ Arms Hepburns.

Is there a search engine on the forum?  I must be blind, but I thought I used one before.

Thanks for any knowledge!

Dale
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Re: Remington Hepburn Questions....
Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2008 at 9:03pm
 
Dale, I have a Hepburn and believe it to be as strong as the highwall.  Mine is in 38-50 RH and is as accurate as my other two rifles, one a Shiloh and one a highwall.  There is a fellow from Guthrie, OK by the name of Jim Hamilton that scratch builds Hepburns besides DZ arms.  He advertises in the Want Add section of the Black Powder Cartridge News.  I can't give testimony towards either one however as I've only seen one DZ Arms rifle and don't remember that much about it.  Dave Crossno in Oklahoma would be a source that might give you some advice.  He can be found by doing a Google.  Seems like those Oklahoma shooters like their Hepburns.  Be aware, that there is a cadre of shooters out there that just don't appreciate the real beauty of a Hepburn.  I'll bet there is even a few around here.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 8:17pm
 
Dale, I am  Hiwall fan. Having said that it is my opinion that the Hepburn action may well be the strongest and best fitted of the original Single Shot actions from that era. Most were made from better material using what then were described as "Nickle Steeel" and the Heat treat was also at the forefront of technology. They have been for many years considered "Ugly" by many including myself. So much so that I once passed on an absolutely gorgeous Hepburn full Schuetzen with all the best bells and whistles for $300.00 and it was a bargain even then. Have regretted that since the guy who bought it set many Cast Bullet Association records with it when the Association first formed. Later reading found a paragraph on Walker of the Hepburn Walker underlever fame and it noted that he was the foreman of the barrel dept at Remington and his barrels were noted for their superior internal finish and highly polished interior condition which this Rifle exhibited. So, will a Hepburn work? Absolutely! And of course in the past few years their value has been appreciating at a breakneck speed so get yours now as they will be out of reach in a few more years. HTH.
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Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 8:27pm
 
Thanks for the info guys.  I already have a Highwall set up as a target rifle and wanted my next single shot to be something different which the Hepburn certainly is.  Any idea of any sites that may have originals?  I saw one on BACO.  I plan to shoot it alot so it will probably be a reproduction.  The research is enjoyable too.
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Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 10:44pm
 
If you want a reproduction Hepburn, call and talk to Dave Crossno.  Late afternoons he's usually willing to talk.  He can tell you a thing or two about them and the reproductions, and if you can talk him into making one for you, I think you'd have one of the best.

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Re: Remington Hepburn Questions....
Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 11:05pm
 
let's not forget the reason the hepburn came into being....American creedmoor teams wanting an improved version of their rollingblock creedmoor target rifle. Mr. hepburn was given the go-ahead from the remington factory "brass" to design a superior action....i personally believe he did, although i love the rollingblock too. they don't have the camming action of the highwall, but they do have the centrally hung hammer and short hammer fall.....you either love em' or hate em' it seems.....i personally am quite fond of them and am currently getting ready to build mine............good luck...blue Cool
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Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2008 at 11:16pm
 
Although the Hepburn has the rawback of not having any leverage to eject spent cases, it also has the advantage ofbeing able to open the breechblock while resting on a bench or sandbag. Not having a lever below the receiver is a real plus for benchrest!
I too think the Hepburn is ugly, but somehow I have always found myself fascinated by it's peculiar looks. It's just ugly enough to be beautiful!
I've got a couple Hepburns. One .45-70 that I restored from parts, and a double set triggered .44-77SBN. I find the odd design really feels comfortable and hangs well.-Vall
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Reply #7 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 11:29am
 
Went through some of the same issues about the Hepburn myself.  Being somewhat of a 'noticer', I began noticing that many of the folks that were winning matches were shooting Hepburn's in Black Powder Silhouette, Mid-Range and Long Range events.

One day I was at the Tucson Rifle Club Range and a National Champion, National Record holder in Black Powder Cartridge Target Rifle was there fireforming brass in a Hepburn that he bought from Dave Crossno.  Caliber 40-65, Green Mountain 1x16 twist barrel, Saeco #740 bullet.

He was somewhat tired of the fireforming process and invited me launch a few.  It was a fairly windy, overcast day.  I laid down behind his Hepburn and shot 23 consecutive hits on the turkey spotter at 385 meters.

Again, being somewhat of a noticer, I immediately noticed that from the prone position that I did not have to get out of position or away from the spotting scope to manipulate and fire this rifle.  It didn't take much noticing to see that the rifle shot quite well and that it does have a fast lock time.

I had to be careful not to flip the lever down too hard or it would launch the fired case out past my shoulder.

So, next chance I had I bought a Hepburn action, had Mike Lewis of Yampa, Colorado, build a long range 45-90 on the action and I am just as pleased as punch with the outfit.  Problem is, all I want to do anymore is shoot that rifle.  

I am presently looking for another Hepburn action.  Hint, hint !

My recommendation is this, don't get a Hepburn.  You will love it.    
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Reply #8 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 12:08pm
 
No, I'm keeping my mouth shut, honestly - not a sound from me!  Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 12:39pm
 
Dale,

You can find about five pages of Hepburn information in the book, Single Shot Rifles and Actions by Frank DeHaas in Chapter 13.  It has sectional views of the action as well as the double set trigger mechanism.

I have two Hepburns.  One is an original action that was re-barreled and re-stocked and I used it for several years shooting silhouette with black powder.

The other is a DZ Arms Hepburn.  I have been using that for almost three years now without any problems.  Initially there were a few small bugs in the rifle but nothing major.  When I pointed these out to Dan Zimmerman, he told me to send it back for correction.  I suggested that I shoot it for a while and see if anything else developed.  After one summer of shooting, no additional problems developed.  I sent the rifle back to Dan and he corrected the few small problems.  My rifle came back to me very quickly in excellent condition.  I am extremely pleased with the rifle and find that Dan Zimmerman is a quality supplier who stands behind his product 100%.  He wants all his customers to be happy with his products.

I find that in shooting black powder cartridge rifle silhouette the side lever is an advantage over the bottom Hi-Wall lever.  However, as others have pointed out, there is no camming action to force a long cartridge into the chamber.  That isn't a problem for me because I set my overall cartridge length so that the bullet is about 0.010" off the rifling.  In fact, I'm able to shoot the same cartridges in both rifles without any affect on accuracy.  Both rifles are chambered for the 45-70 cartridge.  The original is a single trigger while the DZ Arms has the double set trigger.  I prefer the double set and use that rifle almost exclusivly for competition.

I hope this answers some of your questions.

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Re: Remington Hepburn Questions....
Reply #10 - Feb 16th, 2008 at 8:37am
 
Dale
If you are looking to buy A Hepburn talk to Jim Hamilton of Custom Single Shot Rifles. He makes the actions from bar stock not castings. his work is spot on.

Jim Hamilton
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9651 Meadows Lane
Guthrie, OK 73044
(405) 282 - 3634

Call Jim and talk to him you won't be sorry.

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Reply #11 - Feb 16th, 2008 at 10:48am
 
I  have an original Hepburn ,and the only one drawback I have found is from the prone position you lose cheek contact at longer ranges due to the soule sight being higher. I have toyed with the idea of a different stock or simply putting a padded cheek rest on the gun. 45/70sharpshooter
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Reply #13 - Feb 16th, 2008 at 12:40pm
 
I am see-sawing back and forth between a decked out Shiloh or a DZ/Whomever Hepburn.  I agree with most of you that the Hepburn is just different enough to be a real looker (with the possible exception of a few that is!!!!!!!!) Wink.  

Anywho, I don't really plan to shoot the rifle in competition so I am just looking for a target rifle.  I wonder if the DZ Hepburn's stock drop will preclude getting a good cheek weld with a long range Soule type tang sight?  

I have seen the "risers" and have one built into a couple of McMillan A5 stocks, but what a PITA to clean the bore.  Not looking for an easy way out, but I hate to put it on/take it off to clean.

There is a DZ on BACO for sale, but the stock has some God awful work done to it.  But it sure does have a lot of goodies I won't have to purchase separately.  Anyone know of any other good ones for sale in that price range?

Thanks for all of this help! Smiley

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Reply #14 - Feb 17th, 2008 at 12:23am
 
http://www.itcmarksmanship.com/c-2-itc-cheekrests.aspx

These people offer a detachable cheek rest ( Pad).  I use one to get scope height on a Highwall.
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