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Nov 11th, 2008 at 1:03pm
 
Any of you folks own anything stocked by Hal Hartley? In particular his Walnut although I know he did a lot of flamed maple stuff.
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Reply #1 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 3:39pm
 
Jeez, 175 looks and nothing.
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Reply #2 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 9:17pm
 
I was just trying to figure out who Hal Hartley was! Maybe the other 175 were too! Wink
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Reply #3 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 9:28pm
 
Looks like over 200 of us are wondering who he is/was now!  Shocked

Apparently his reputation is a fairly limited or local one, or somebody would have chimed in by now.  Perhaps if you get in touch with Michael Petrov in Alaska, he will know something about him.  He is the apparent expert on custom gun makers of the last 100 or so years.

Sorry I can't provide any info about HH, though.

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Reply #4 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 9:50pm
 
I know that Hal Hartley was a stock maker and I believe an amigo of Monty Kennedy, as I recall he was active after WWII and some of the old Gun Digests had pictures of his rifles. If you get a copy of Monty Kennedy's book on stock carving I think there's some pictures of stocks by Hal Hartley. That's the best I can do....I don't think he made any schuetzen stocks.

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Reply #5 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 10:32pm
 
Hal Hartley made percussion rifles too. Limited numbers I'm sure and I think I saw a picture of a hiwall stocked by him.  He did beautifull work, his lines being similar to Al Beisens. Very handsome.  He sure liked Maple.  Gun Digest is the best place to see his work. And I think he might have co authored Kennedy's book on checkering. I have the book and will take a look. 

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Reply #6 - Nov 25th, 2008 at 11:13pm
 
Hal Hartley was from Lenoir, NC, and was actively building stocks well into the sixties, maybe even the seventies. I recall going to his shop with my Dad (groundhog shooting buddies) a number of times! Most of his work was maple, and he cut and cured it himself in the NC mountains. We never got one of his stocks as we did our own work, but the man was a master with a hatchet, his primary rough shaping tool! A friend has a #1 he did and it is fantastic. He often torched the maple for the grain effects, using an old gasoline blowtorch, and could really make the eyes pop at you with birdseye maple.

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Reply #7 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 7:06pm
 
Now we know who Hal Hartley was! Thanks guys!
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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 5:34pm
 
westerner wrote on Nov 25th, 2008 at 10:32pm:
Hal Hartley made percussion rifles too. Limited numbers I'm sure and I think I saw a picture of a hiwall stocked by him. He did beautifull work, his lines being similar to Al Beisens. Very handsome. He sure liked Maple. Gun Digest is the best place to see his work. And I think he might have co authored Kennedy's book on checkering. I have the book and will take a look.

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I looked, Hal Hartley didnt coauthor Kennedy's book.  There is a Winchester he stocked, in flamin Maple of course. Smiley


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Reply #9 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 2:26am
 
In the tenth edition of the Handloaders Digest Page 136 is an aricle on a Hal Hartley single shot Rifle in 6mm/303 which I liked the look of and I had a Highwall made up in the same calibre and style. I used to have a very small and compact four power scope on it which looked a lot better than the four to twelve power on it now.
Not stocked by Hal Hartley, though John Pell did all the metal work. Twenty years on I still have it and it will still put three shots into half an inch.
Also have a look at page 290 of the NRA Gunsmithing Guide where he writes on gunsmithing the BSA Cadet Martini. Also on page 284 is an excellent article by Frank De Haas on Gunsmithing the 310 Martini as well. Not sure of the date of this book but I think I bought it during the sixties or seventies.
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Reply #10 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 10:06pm
 
Well, I suppose I should have done this a little differently. I know who he is and his history, I have the Kennedy book and have seen some of his flamed maple which I guess is what he was best known for. I guess he was also a buddy of Leonard Brownell's as well. The basis for my querry on this forum was to get a feel, if any, for what might be out there. I have a CC Johnson high wall that has a Walnut stock done by him. It is as nice a custom stock as I've ever seen on a HW as far as porportion, finnish, checkering, really everything and it was actually a bit of a mistery as to stocker until I pulled the forend and noticed his name very subtly carved there, and it got me to wondering.
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Reply #11 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 11:57pm
 
Tim,

     Unfortunately, the wood on several of the rifles I have seen by CC Johnson did not live up to the high quality of Charley's metal work.  The fact that you have one with wood by such a talented craftsman makes yours a very special example.  Congratulations on a nice find.  BTW, how about sharing with us a little?  What caliber, barrel weight, etc, etc?  I assume you already know that the number Charley put on the bottom of the barrel is the year and the job number for that year.  You may be able to get a little more info, at least the original owner and what work Charley did from his grandson, Jerry Johnson, who sometimes posts on this board.

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Reply #12 - Dec 2nd, 2008 at 1:23am
 
FWIW, in a late '70's "profile" in RIFLE Magazine, Mr. Hartley mentioned that although 75% of his stocks were maple, he preferred to work with good european walnut. At that time he estimated that he had made over 1000 stocks.

Sounds like a nice High Wall.

Good shooting! Wink
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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2008 at 10:45pm
 
Froggie,

I'm sorry I should have done that at the beginning. It's a late piece by C.C., a mid-heavy 25" barrel, .225, 1 1/14" Unertle varmint. The gun seemed to have few rounds through it when I got it and bore scoped it. 100% blue, one or two very little handling marks on the stock. Since I'm a rf, cf bench shooter the first thing I tend to look at is the chamber and I'll tell you that he cut a beauty. The other thing I'd mention is that I own or have owned all manner of classic scope from the big 2" target's, Lyman Supers, BV20, but I cannot over state how remarkably clear these 1 1/4" scopes were. I have not had much time to shoot it but will put honest 5/8" groups out there with 4064 and a 52 gr br slug. I shoot lots of 17 and 20 cal. stuff now so the .225 feels large by comparison.
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Reply #14 - Dec 10th, 2008 at 11:29pm
 
Frank de Haas "Mr. Single Shot's Cartridge Handbook" Has a Hal Hartley photo on the inside front cover and in Chapter 10. Frank
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