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Mar 24th, 2012 at 3:04pm
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I'm looking for information. I know Gil Sengel wrote several articles on the cartridge for either Rifle or Handloader magazine and PO Ackley's 2 volume set has a page write up. Does anyone have copies of this? Load information? I'll gladly pay for copying and postage. Thanks, JB
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 5:38pm
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I think I have both.  Believe the 25 Hornet article was re-printed in one of Hand loaders Wildcat cartridges books.  And have PO Ackleys books.

Give me overnight will let you know for sure.

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Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 6:02pm
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John here is the data in Ackley's Handbook Volume I and it isn't much but it is everything that is listed.

60gr. Bullet 8gr. 2400 1525fps
                 11gr.2400 2035fps

86gr. Bullet 6gr 2400 955fps
                  10gr.2400 1675

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Reply #3 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 6:17pm
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the info is in the 1962 copy if you send me your e mail I'll copy and send it to you.  mike   case is almost straight..   P.O.A. gives H. R. Longo some credit for his work o it..
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 6:18pm
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Charlie Dell shows a load of 8.3grs AA-9 in a 12 twist, with a 95gr. bullet and CCI Primers and no velocity given.

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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 6:53pm
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Thanks for the help folks. Bill, I hope you can find it. There were two articles by Sengel. One about building the rifle and I believe another about load information several years later. I believe one in each of the magazines.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 7:13pm
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google turned this up.
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Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 8:25pm
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John I was wrong, the Gil Sengel Article I have is in Wolfe's Varmint and Small Game cartridges. It's called "Reviving the Small Game Rifle" and is about 25/20's

Hang on, Looks like I was right sort of,  Wolfes Wildcat Cartridges volume II has a Sengel Article about the 25 Hornet. It's later than the one you are looking for.

He refers to Hand loader # 100 when he wrote about the .25 Hornet, not much detail on the one you are looking for.  Then goes on with 4 full pages on the cartridge in a 10 inch T/C contender. This may be the several years later article lot of load data jacketed and cast.

Looks like it's worth reading. Send me a PM with your address will copy it up next few days.

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Reply #8 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 9:38pm
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25 Hornet

No rifle info or barrel length given.

Small Pistol primers used with Unique and Herco powders. Small Rifle primers used in all other loads. Velocities instrumental at 10 feet. (Handloader Issue 111)

72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Unique 3.0 1,184

72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Unique 3.5 1,343
Remarks: best accuracy

72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Unique 4.0 1,475
72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 3.0 1,187

72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 3.5 1,306
Remarks: best accuracy

72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 4.0 1,473
72 NEI 72.257 GC Alliant Herco 4.5 1,625
88 NEI 88.257RN Winchester W-296 5.0 1,217

88 NEI 88.257RN Winchester W-296 5.5 1,321
Remarks: 1-1-1/4-inch groups

88 NEI 88.257RN Winchester W-296 6.0 1,488

105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 5.0 1,258
105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 6.0 1,372
105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 6.5 1,477

105 Lyman No. 257231 IMR IMR-4227 7.0 1,557
Remarks: 1-1/8-inch groups
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Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2012 at 11:07pm
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John what is it exactly you are looking for I have Handloader #100 and the Sengal article is Titled .25 Hornet Hunter's Handgun. If it was another article that was written up in The Handloader I probably have it, I just need to know what issue. I also have some issues of the Rifle if you can provide a reference to a time line or the issue it is possible I might have it also. Worst case I scenario is I can thumb through all of the index in all of the issues to try and locate exactly what you are looking for and I would be more than happy to do so for you.

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Reply #10 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 10:34am
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John

Seems to me the one you have # 100 is the first, and one I have is the 2nd one.  Unfortunately no reference in Wildcat cartridges detailing when it was published in Hand loader

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Reply #11 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 7:09pm
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If I can get a photocopy from John and Bill I'll be "singing in the rain". It sounds like we've found both issues.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 8:00pm
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John send me a PM with your e-mail address and I will try scanning it and e-mailing it to you. If that does now work out in regards to overall quality I can work on an alternative method.

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Reply #13 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 8:05pm
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John I was snooping around and found another article in Handloader 111 by Gil Sengal titled 25 Hornet Small Game Round would you also have an interest in it?

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Reply #14 - Mar 26th, 2012 at 8:18pm
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Frank in my copy of Handloader 111 it also has load data for 60gr, 75gr. and 87gr bullets is your article titled the same.

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