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Martini-Henry schematics
Jan 28th, 2013 at 8:23am
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I am looking to buy a full set of technical diagrams for Martini-Henry rifles. If there is anyone that can guide me in the right direction I would be very happy, I am a gunsmithing student and I am wanting to build one from scratch...
  
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Re: Martini-Henry schematics
Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 1:24pm
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You mean blueprints?  There aren't any, the rifle was made without, they used jigs for the critical dimensions, no drawings anywhere.  As far as I know, nobody has yet taken the time to reverse-engineer the Martini.  I know of someone who did just that with the Westley Richards ZAR Martini (and then built one afterwards), but as far as I know, his drawings are not for sale.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 7:23pm
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My advise would be to obtain a good workable action and do the work yourself. Most all the dimensions can be done with good measuring tools and some patience and time. I have replicated many obsolete parts this way.Get some good dial calipers, one to two inch micrometers, radius gauges and a height gauge along with a surface plate if you have one. Take one part at a time and dont leave anything out.

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Reply #3 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 10:00am
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While you are at it, an action somewhere between the size of a Cadet and a Martini-Henry would sure be nice.
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 11:49am
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Gosh, yes.  A Martini specifically sized to handle the 32/40 would be choice!  And . . . and with the right side cut down to facilitate loading when scoped.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 1:00pm
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And one with a hole in the breech block, making it easier to inspect & clean the barrel.  And with provision for breech seating.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 5:53pm
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Why you folks don't ask for much do ya!!!! Did you leave anything out?

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Reply #7 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 7:24pm
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jhm wrote on Jan 30th, 2013 at 5:53pm:
Why you folks don't ask for much do ya!!!! Did you leave anything out?

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Just a magazine feed. lol.  Wink

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Reply #8 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 8:22pm
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Hey I like all the requests, it shows me (a gunsmithing student) that there is a market out there for these and that there are some wants that have never been met. And obviously I like the martini actions so I am looking forward to the challenge of building my own.
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 30th, 2013 at 11:06pm
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A.Tellef,
Good attitude. Welcome to the forum. Best of luck with your project and future plans. Interesting concept of gunsmithing schools requiring building an action. Certainly teaches machining and basic concepts.
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Reply #10 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 3:07am
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Mr. Tellef,

Good luck with your project, I hope you succeed. One thing to remember about Martini type actions is the feed angle when inserting a round. Don't pick a round that is too long or fat, otherwise it will jamb, and you will have wasted your time and money at least on the barrel. Quite a few people have come across that problem in re building an old Cadet or other martini action.  Huh  Undecided
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Reply #11 - Jan 31st, 2013 at 12:03pm
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Really?  Good info, that.  Tell me, what cartridges fall into that category?  Can you make a 32/40 on a Cadet?  How about a .219 Zipper?  I'm probably going to leave mine in .22 and use it as a parlor gun at the local pistol range but I am curious.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 8:14am
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Walter  Matera wrote on Jan 31st, 2013 at 12:03pm:
Really?  Good info, that.  Tell me, what cartridges fall into that category?  Can you make a 32/40 on a Cadet?  How about a .219 Zipper?  I'm probably going to leave mine in .22 and use it as a parlor gun at the local pistol range but I am curious.


Walter,
Whilst I have owned and shot several Martini actioned rifles from .22 RF to 577/450 I have never built a custom model myself. I do know that swapping rounds and rechambering can cause these problems. Many a gunsmith over the last 50 or more years has commented upon that fact. Best get in touch with a good Martini Gunsmith (John Taylor or John King come to mind) who have experience in this kind of work.

Offhand I would say that a 32/40 would work in a .310 Cadet (rebored and rechambered) providing the overall length of the cartridges are the same or very close. A .219 Zipper may be too long to feed correctly a narrow entrance to the chamber and a long cartridge case may not work. Best consult the experts who modify these rifles to US calibres.

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Re: Martini-Henry schematics
Reply #13 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 8:41am
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One more suggestion when you build it Look at the German and Swiss Martinis when thinking about finger levers. The Brits put the ugliest collection finger levers I have ever seen on their Martinis. Put on something that looks decent.

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40_Rod wrote on Feb 1st, 2013 at 8:41am:
One more suggestion when you build it Look at the German and Swiss Martinis when thinking about finger levers. The Brits put the ugliest collection finger levers I have ever seen on their Martinis. Put on something that looks decent.

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Oh please 40 Rod, we Brits put a practical lever on our Martini's. The Germans, Austrians and Swiss look like they have stolen some of the very fancy ironwork from gates leading to British 'Stately Homes' to make their levers.   Roll Eyes

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