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Mar 10th, 2013 at 11:31pm
 
Just had John Taylor install a Ron Smith 32 cal gain twist bbl on my Ballard.  It has a standard 32-40 chamber according to John.  My heaviest bullet is a 185 gr (20-1) Hoch nose pour.  I was thinking of getting the Hoch schuetzen 205 gr mold that CPA sells.  Any other suggestions?

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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 12:53am
 
What pitch is your RKS barrel?
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:10am
 
Chuck Bordman went on a 250 frenzy a couple years ago using a Saeco Pope tapered bullet. Weighs about two hundred grains.  Cast 25 - 1.  Chucks rifle has an eleven twist RKS gain twist barrel.  Chucks bullets shot like a house afire in my RKS fourteen gain twist barrel. First five shots on my sighter could be covered with a dime. Of course the wind piped up and ruined everything, as usual.

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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:24am
 
The PJ 32001 is thee mold for a fast twist RKS barrel.

http://www.pauljonesmolds.com/32_caliber.htm

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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 2:34am
 
I think the Seaco mold is thee mold.  http://www.buffaloarms.com/Saeco_Bullet_Moulds_it-163746.aspx?CAT=4131

Especially for the price.

I have the PJ 32001 mold.  It works in cold weather in my RKS 14 gain twist barrel.  In hot weather leads easily. Also IMO it doesnt have enough taper. Seating pressure is heavy.
The Saeco will shoot just as good or better.
Sorry Frank, just a difference of opinion.



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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 3:16am
 
Joe, no offence taken. I'm a big advocate of long ogive spitzers. Personally I like the Ron Long designed spitzers best but, you can't get them any more. The last one he made for me was a 30 cal that comes to a complete sharp point. I don't know how he did it.

I agree about the taper but, it does seem to work VERY well in the 11 - 12 twist. You can get around the hard BSing with the throat. I know the 32 RKS doesn't have a throat but, either a freebore, long throat or both, will let you BS w/o much pressure at all.

Once it gets out of the barrel, it's got a big edge on all most, all other bullets. I wish I had a barrel to use it in. Smiley

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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:23am
 
The Hoch 205 to 210 grains bullets should work fine and in fact have some advantages over some of the other molds mentioned.
  First it is a nose pour mold. There are 2 advantages to nose pour, first perfect bases nice and square with no sprue cut. Second if voids form they tend to form nearest to where the lead is poured from. With a nose pour they  tend to form near the end and be more centered giving less wobble than if the form on the base off center.
There are a downside to the Hochs You must run them a little hotter for best results and they can be a little harder to tune so they work properly. Once you learn how it is not a problem.

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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 4:34pm
 
Most people have been shootining 200-210 grain bullets in 14:1 twist RKS barrels and 225-240 grain bullets in 12:1 or 11.5:1 twist RKS barrels. Some have shot the heavy bullets in the 14:1 twist but you do need a tighter twist to properly shoot them.

I shoot a 235 grain Paul Jone spitzer in my 11.5:1 gain twist RKS barrel.
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Reply #8 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
I managed to make some high scores with the PJ bullet, scoring one 250.  14 twist is on the ragged edge of stability.  If I wanted to build a gun around the PJ bullet, would use the longer RKS casing based on the 357 Maximum or the 32/40 or for kix, the 8.15X46R.  The barrel would be RKS 11 twist. I feel the case capacity of the .32 Miller short is to small. Creates to much pressure causing gas cutting and leading in the bore. 

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Reply #9 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 7:04pm
 
I got a Pioneer nose pour 200 grain last fall and it shoots better than my favorite Ron Long pointed bullet like Franks mold. It shot light out at LV in Jan. I have about or had close to 25 molds in the last 4 years and this Pioneer is the tops. I like the Pioneer over the Hoch design.
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Reply #10 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:00pm
 
My barrel looks to be a 11.5 to 14 gain twist. 

Hey Joe.  I had that Saeco mold and 'cause it wouldn't stabilize in my old 16 twist barrel, you cut it down from 200 to 168 gr. for me.  Can you add back what you milled off.....Smiley
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Reply #11 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 9:15pm
 
Jack,
You now just need to talk Joe out of that PJ that he doesn't like. Sounds like he'll sell it cheap Smiley

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Reply #12 - Mar 11th, 2013 at 11:36pm
 
Not a chance Frank,

Joe believes firmly that he who owns the most bullet molds controls the world.
I used to try to out bid him on ebay.  Never again!

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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 4:02am
 
I thought you told me the contingency plan was to use the cut down mold for offhand shooting once you finally got a faster twist barrel. Isn't that what you told me, Jack?  Huh   I bet you didn't think I had a memory like that, did you?   Roll Eyes

By the way, I use the same bullet from a cut down Saeco mold in my 32/40 Helm 15 twist rifle for offhand. In load testing from the bench, the little bullet is capable of scoring 250s. 
We need to get together at Tacoma sometime for some load testing and bs.  I assume you are a member?

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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2013 at 3:57pm
 
Not a Tacoma member.  I am a member of Capitol City just south of Littlerock.  You shot at one of their so called BPC matches I believe.  They have improved the hi-power range and have a true 200yd instead of only 190.
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