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Reply #15 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 2:02pm
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I haven't been able to find much of anything on the .25 Hornet other than it is shorter than the .25-21. How does it perform? Anyone shooting one? Please tell us about it. I tried a topic search but didn't come up with anything other than xxgrampa was having a hard time finding a reamer. I talked with him yesterday and discussed the possibility of several of us who wanted to build rifles in this cal. chipping in and buying a reamer. 

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Reply #16 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 4:40pm
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Scott,

  I did quite a bit of shooting with the .25 Hornet a few years back.

  It's the .22 Hornet case blown out to .25 cal. as you might have guessed.

  The only info I ever found....... admittedly I didn't look all that hard..... is in one of Ackley's  two vol. set of "Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders". Page 327 Vol. I.

  It's strictly a wildcat cartridge so you'd be pretty well on your own outside of Ackley's work. Not really an awful lot there. The only powder listed is for IMR 2400. with 8 & 11 gr. loads for the 60 gr. bullet, 6 & 10 grs. for the 86 grainer. MV's run from 1525 fps to 2035 for the 60 gr. & 955 to 1675 fps for the 86 gr., using the standard 1-16" twist.

  The case has a very shallow neck, similar to the .32/20, which makes it almost a straight case. Ackley says that a load of 12.0 grs. of 2400 and the 67 gr. bullet will give a MV of 2000 fps with very low pressures making it suitable for weak actions such as the Ballard.

  Never did any hunting with it, but it's more than accurate enuf for animals as small as head shots on Squirrels out to 100 yds. or so with hard cast bullets. I had mine set up on a Win. Low Wall. It's kind of my switch barrel gun, thus the "had".  Smiley

  If I can be of any other help let me know!

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Reply #17 - Mar 20th, 2005 at 6:21pm
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One of our local shooters has a 25 Hornet in 1-10 twist , 120 grain bullet, using 4227 and has had real good success.

If any of you are shooting a CPA Gail has a reamer!
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Reply #18 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 12:46am
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I have a friend who has a .22 K Hornet and had good results with lil' gun powder. How would this work? 

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Reply #19 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 9:50am
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Scott,

  Couldn't really say about "Lil Gun" powder. Haven't used it altho a friend of mine (GWarden) has used it in a .22 Hornet with really good results..... with jacketed bullets.

  As I mentioned above, if you decide to go with the .25 Hornet you will be pretty much on your own as to powder and load selection goes.

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Reply #20 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 11:29am
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Little cases and big bullets (over 100 grains) can get you into trouble if the powder dispensing is not carefully done.
Pressure can spike very quickly.  I am talking .1 or  .2 tenths of a grain. Personal experience with a .25 Hornet.
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Reply #21 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 2:26pm
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Scott,   I received the cart. seaters today and will engrave your son's starter in the next few days. All I have to do is find a few extra hours to do the cutting --- worked 14 hours yesterday Tongue        Ken
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 4:20pm
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Ken, 

At your leisure sir. No rush, I know you're a busy man. We're in no hurry.

The Hepburn seater should be self explanatory but if you have any questions let me know. 

Have a fabulous day my friend!

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Reply #23 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 4:30pm
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Pete and mes, 

Any information you would be willing to share would be greatly appreciated. If you don't wish to post load data, etc. here please send me a PM or e-mail. I'm not looking to make a mach 2 screamer here just a fun little target/plinking/small game rifle. I was thinking of using 86-100 gr. cast bullets. Would a 1:12" twist be adequate or should I go with 1:10"? I thought Unique or AA #5 would be a good place to start (?), or perhaps even the new Pinnacle BP substitute from Goex. Any thoughts?

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Reply #24 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 6:24pm
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Scott,

  Well, I'll fill you in on what I feel comfortable giving you. This is not meant as a slam on you, it's just I don't like giving out load data, especially for wildcat cartridges.

  What I was trying to do was see if I could get a .25 cal. set up something like the .32 Miller. A small case that would shoot a heavy bullet and a case full of powder.

  So, I set the gun up with a 1-10" twist, and had NEI make a custom GC bullet weighing 110 grs. Not sure what their current number is but I have it listed in an old catalog as #20. Worked real well, but then decided I wanted to use it in ASSRA competition so had the GC machined out, ending up with a bullet wgt. of about 117 grs.

  With that bullet I found that MV's in the 1250 to 1325 fps range gave the best accuracy, 1270 fps gives around 3/4" at 100 yds. and 1315 gives right at an inch. With this wgt. bullet, twist, and case I wasn't able to get BP to work at all well. Bullets tipped quite a bit at 100 & 200 yds. I'm not even sure if you used lighter bullets that you would get exceptable accuracy. The .25 Hornet is basically a smokeless powder cartridge.

  Later the barrel was chambered out to .25/20SS and with the 117 gr. bullet it would show serious tipping at 200 yds. with BP.  An original Ideal mould 257222 (90 grs) worked well enuf for Squirrel hunting at normal distances, but would tip slightly at 100 yds. with accuracy there and at 200 yds. not anything to write home about. With smokeless it shoots very well.

  The capacity for both cases when using BP is just not designed for any bullets over 75 to 80 grs. The .25 Hornet case just isn't designed for BP at all. But, the .22 Hornet is bascially a slightly re-designed .22 WCF case that held 15 grs. of BP and is very similar to the .22/15/60 cartridge. This makes a real dynamite Squiirrel caliber.

  If you do want to use BP in a .25 cal. then I would recommend the .25/20SS or .25/21 case and no more than a 1-12" twist and that you stay with 75 or 80 gr. bullets.

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Re: Colton's Rifle
Reply #25 - Mar 21st, 2005 at 10:29pm
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Longrider:
My powder was 9S which is quite close to AA#9.  My brother wanted to shoot the rifle and was a little more heavy handed in operating the powder measure which lead to a .2 grain increase in powder. The bullet was 109 grains and the primer  was perferated.  I tried Win 540 in it also and it perffed primers when working up a load .1 grain up from a somewhat  accurate load.  Just too touchy for me so I rechambered the barrel to a .25-20 Win.   
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