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Reply #75 - Jan 13th, 2012 at 12:24am
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Gentleman keep in mind the lube does more than just prevent leading of which several out there will do. You need to find the one that will provide you with 1/2 minute of angle at 200yds. A simple change of lubes can take a 3 inch group and shrink to less than 1 1/2 inch with everything else remaining the same so you do indeed need to try several.

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Reply #76 - Jan 18th, 2013 at 9:49pm
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Hey guys, is there a substitute for Lead Stearate, hoping to making some 59C lube.
another question, would Ivory snow dishsoap work?
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Reply #77 - Jan 18th, 2013 at 10:42pm
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Van it would easier to just buy it from Willis Gregory. Lead Stearate is dang near impossible to find and Ivory dish soap will not work, it needs to be Ivory Beads and or Ivory Flakes both again hard to come buy. It can be had from industrial cleaning suppliers but in very large quantities only from my understanding.

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Reply #78 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 9:33am
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John and all
When I was making Charlies Dell's lube I got some materials from him to make the formula. He gave me a couple of pounds of the soap he was using. He told me that Ivory had changed the formula and added something, I think it was to make it smell better. Any way Charlie stopped using Ivory and looked around he finally found a commercial product that was just soap. The downside was he had to buy it by the barrel.
Ivory beads may still work but one of Charlie's things was to as much as possible use only basic ingredients.
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Reply #79 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 1:01pm
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40-Rod Charlie did the same for me and so did Willis so I am good to go for a lifetime. The first batch came with the Ivory flakes and the second came with what looks like the beads.

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Reply #80 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 8:26pm
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Lead Stearate Pb(C17H35COO)2 and Dibasic Lead Stearate, 2PbO, Pb(C17H35COO)2 are basic lead soap of commercial stearic acid....
so does that mean steartic acid is a substitute?
  
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Reply #81 - Jan 19th, 2013 at 8:48pm
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Van

I don't think so.  Lead stearate is made from lead oxide and stearic acid.  It isn't difficult to make but there is no way to be sure the results aren't 'off'.  There are some lubes that use  lithium stearates, Dell 36A for example.  I looked long and hard for lead stearates and it is impossible to find anymore outside of Asia. 

A bit of caution is required in handling lead based lubes but nothing we don't already do when casting.

If you want to try some I have some Dell 59.  I'm glad to lube some bullets if you wish.   Send me a pm.

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Reply #82 - May 7th, 2013 at 10:06pm
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I searched quite a while to make my own list, but it does no good if only I look at it.  Here is a list of black powder lubes for those of us who like to experiment

US Army 1855 - 1 part beeswax, 3 parts tallow

US Army 1861 - 8 parts beeswax, 1 part tallow

US Army 1873 - 8 parts bayberry wax, 1 part graphite

US Army 1880 - Japan wax

Sharps Rifle Co. 1878 - 1 part beeswax, 2 parts sperm oil.

Maynard Rifle  1890 - 1 part beeswax, 3 parts tallow

Marlin Firearms Co. 1891 - 1 part beeswax, 4 parts tallow

S&W 1891 -  tallow

H.M. Pope 1900 - 3 parts mutton tallow, 2 parts bay wax, 1 part beeswax, 1 part steam cylinder oil, .2 of 1 part Acheson graphite. (The bay wax can be omitted)

(5) parts Bee's Wax
(4) parts Lard/Crisco
(1) part Canola/Olive oil


Buck Emmert's Lube Formula (for black powder)
1750 grains Beeswax
1368 grains Crisco Shortening (White)
328 grains Crisco or Wesson Vegetable Oil

1 pound Bees Wax
1 pound Citronella Candle
2 Tablespoons shortening

50% beeswax,
40% white Crisco
10% canola cooking oil.
6 cups unmelted soy wax.
cup Jojoba oil.
cup mutton tallow, or you can use beef tallow
1/3 cup unsalted lard.
1/3 cup liquid Bayberry wax.
You can thicken this out by adding soy or using less to thin it or add more lard to make it softer.  If it gets too hot add Palm Vegetable wax or use block Bayberry wax instead of liquid Bayberry wax.
Palm wax melts at about 160*

50% beeswax,
40% Crisco,
5% Canola Oil,
5% Lanolin

6 oz of beef tallow
4 oz bayberry wax
2 oz beeswax
2 oz synthetic sperm oil
1 heaping teaspoon of Moly

6 oz of beeswax
3 oz of bayberry wax
6 oz of bacon grease
1 tablespoon of Dawn soap
2 tablespoon of neatsfoot oil

40% beeswax
30% conola oil
30% lanolin

70% Soywax
20% Avocado oil
10% lanolin

One part clean beeswax
Three parts deer tallow
One canola oil
Powdered graphite

Modern Sharps Formula
1 part Beeswax
1 part Jojoba oil

1 pound beeswax
1 pound white Crisco
1 pound Mutton Tallow
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Reply #83 - May 7th, 2013 at 10:11pm
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I ran out of room there Shocked

I have used Pope's lube  - a friend of mine used to make it and that produced the tightest groups and the easiest clean ups I have ever had with my Sharps 45-70

H.M. Pope 1900 - 3 parts mutton tallow, 2 parts bay wax, 1 part beeswax, 1 part steam cylinder oil, .2 of 1 part Acheson graphite. He omitted the graphite, and never would tell me what he used for cylinder oil - He was a machinist and I assume he had access something that was similar to it.

  
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Reply #84 - Sep 3rd, 2013 at 12:44am
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Well...I use a product called "Junior Lube". It's made by an old Louisiana redneck named Junior Doughty. Do a search for him and/or his lube and you can find out what it's made of. I am fairly new to BPCR and newer to reloading. So I am likely only APPROXIMATELY correct when it comes to my powder measuring, bullet casting, brass reforming etc etc. But I use his lube and I get very acceptable groups at 50 yds, have not shot at 100 yds but plan to do so this week yet. He has a great write-up at his website about his NEF 45-70 handi-rifle which is what I shoot also, maybe that's why I like his recipe(?)  Cool
  
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Reply #85 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 6:34pm
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Is anyone using just alox for smokeless loads?

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Reply #86 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 9:51pm
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Yes, I do.
  

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Reply #87 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 12:20am
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Alox is all I use for smokeless loads.
  
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Reply #88 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:51am
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As it is with all things there are pros, and cons, and I'll bet Alox is not exempt from the rule. Would like to hear what they are about the use of Alox. I just started using it and so far I like it.

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Reply #89 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 9:00am
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Javelina Schuetzen Lube, Alox & Bee's Wax is one of the best lubes out there Sendaro. It is richer in Alox than the NRA 50/50 and the better lube.

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