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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #15 - Nov 24th, 2007 at 11:08am
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Hey Joe,

     Oddly enough, that was the most accurate FIXED load I ever had in my recently traded Ruger.  Only difference was the bullet was a Bud Welch adaptation of the old Pope bullet without so much taper.  I'm wondering whether I ought to go back and look at it again for my breech seated loads, but with 15-20 lb of 4759 to shoot up, it may be a while!  Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2007 at 7:10am
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fbw mod j 32-40
douglas 1-15
brewer 208 gr french style seated completely in the lands 1/20 mix
15.5 grs 4759
cork wad on powder
ww large pistol primers
one old ww 32-40 case
home made emmert with a twist of cosmoiline and some gunslick gun grease added. charlie harst mix.
works very well.
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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #17 - Dec 13th, 2007 at 9:36pm
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25/20 SS.   

7.5 gr of IMR 4227. No wad. 112 gr Pope style tapered bullet is breech seated in the rifling ahead of the case. Fed SR match primer.

This load is very accurate in my cast iron Ballard. It is also a very low pressure load. Safe in any sound Ballard or original low wall Winchester.         Smiley

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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #18 - Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:47pm
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I got to spend some quality time with the rifle this past weekend. Tested different primers and different powder. This is what I ended up with as the best combo. Beats my now previous load using SR4759

Austrian Martini 8.15x46R Schuetzen rifle
28" Octagon barrel, 1-15" twist, tapered bore
Lyman 313260 as cast 20:1, 165gr, .315" 
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Single R-P 30-30 case Fire formed
CCI 250 Magnum Large rifle primer
17.5 gr IMR 4064
SPG Lube
No over powder wad
1310fps

I will get to use it this coming weekend at Thurmond.

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Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:33pm
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25-21 Stevens on a CPA with Shilen barrel, and a 1 in 12 twist.  Hoch pope style bullet at 105 grains.  Bullet is breach seated ahead of 8 grains of AA #9.  There is a floral wad .25 inch ahead of the powder and a cork wad to top the thing off.  Shoots very well on a calm day.
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 9th, 2008 at 4:13pm
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Plain Uberti 38-55 HiWall with a 3" Soule vernier and a Lyman 17A:
Lyman 378674      332gr Bhn 8.2      
Starline 2.125
Federal 150
0.01 Paper wad over primer hole
Meteor FFg-Sifted  42grs
0.03 LDPE      wad
2.950 COAL
1087 fps

Took vernier setting this October at the Ridgway Rifle Club on all the steels out to 500m.  Rifle shot this recipe accurately and the steels went down consistently
  

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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #21 - Nov 20th, 2008 at 12:50am
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I have a Orignal AYDT 7.7x46R with a 32'' barrel
My starting load was
21gr IMR3031
165 gr bullet 3.15
Loading dies are home made
32-40 brass cut to 46mm in length
fireformed
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Reply #22 - May 13th, 2009 at 10:49pm
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10.5 gr AA#9, Lee Liquid Alox lube, 14 twist barrel, 175 gr 0.323" spritzer bullet, small pistol primers (any I can get), 32 Brewer cartage (32 Max cut to 1.4") and reduced neck to 0.323" od.  Cast 20/1, experimenting with swaged bullets
  

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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #23 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 2:09pm
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Old Reloading Manual
32-40 - 170gr bullet
All using a Remington 9 1/2 primer
H2400 - 13gr - 1125 fps
H2400 - 14gr - 1300 fps
IMR4227 - 14gr - 1050 fps
IMR4198 - 19gr - 1295 fps
IMR3031 - 26gr - 1545 fps
IMR4895 - 28gr - 1700 fps
IMR4064 - 23.5gr - 1525 fps
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32-40 Hodgdon Loading Data
All MAXIMUM Loading Data
196 GR. HOCH  H4227  .324"  2.555"  13.0  1367  18,000 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  H110  .324"  2.555"        12.0  1376  19,200 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        9.3  1237  19,600 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  IMR  Trail Boss  .324"  2.555"  5.0  833  12,500 CUP MINIMUM 
6.0  935  25,300 CUP  MAXIMUM  
202 GR. POPE  H4227  .324"  2.555"        14.0  1376  15,900 CUP      
202 GR. POPE  H110  .324"  2.555"        13.0  1386  17,900 CUP  
202 GR. POPE  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        9.5  1264  20,100 CUP      
204 GR. MILLER  H4227  .324"  2.555"        13.5  1367  16,300 CUP
204 GR. MILLER  H110  .324"  2.555"        13.0  1369  17,900 CUP
204 GR. MILLER  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        10.8  1310  20,100 CUP

.......................................................
Goex Loading Data:
32-40
165gr bullet - 40gr FFFg - 1450 fps
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Ideal Hand Book - 1949
32-40
Bullet - Weight - Powder - Grains - Velocity
32360 - 125gr - #2400 - 13.0gr - 1680 fps
319247 - 165 - #4759 - 9.0 - 1107
319247 - 165 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1427
319247 - 165 - #2400 - 13.6 - 1545
321232 - 170 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1400
319295 - 170 - Lightning - 21.0 - 1800
319289 - 185 - #2400 - 11.0 - 1250
319273 - 185 - #4759 - 13.0 - 1350 (unsized, barrel throated)
  

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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #24 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:50pm
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For any of you that would like to load for the 32/35 Stevens. I worked with this caliber for more than 5 years. It's a wonderful all around cartridge. I shot smokless ASSRA matches, BP matches and CBA matches with it. It did either very well or excelled in all of them.

The gun was a Hoch that I reworked, barreled with a straight octigon Douglas barrel of .308 groove dia. 14 twist, 26" lg and chambered with my own reamer. All BSed smokeless loads were with Darr lube and a 1.165 lg tapered Ron Long spitzer cast in 22-24/1 alloy. Same with BP but with my own lube. CBA loads were fixed GC loads, 2 ww/1 lino, using 30% lithium in beeswax for lube. My BP lube was equal parts par, vas, bw & Crisco. GC primers were Fed210.

CBA load
26.0gr AA2520 2027 fps, 170gr Saeco TP, 2.9 SD, 7 ES
27.0gr             2015 fps, 187gr RCBS 180 FN, 9 SD, 22 ES
This case has about 2.2 cc vol. about what the 30 PPC has.

Smokeless BS
11.5gr WC 820  1446 fps, 9.3 SD, 32 ES (Fed210)
12.0gr IMR4227 1423 fps, 8.3 SD, 24 ES (Fed150)
13.0gr WW 296  1460 fps, 8.9 SD, 30 ES (Fed150)

BP
5.0gr 4759/30gr F 1523fps 39.1 SD, 90 ES
Fed 30 American Case F100 primer
Darr lube was 1373 fps, 1/2 the ES but .2" larger groups @ 100 yds.

I know .312 is the std groove but, I wanted .308. I'm not a purest but, I am a traditionalist. QC in thoses days wasn't that great, anyway LOL
  

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Reply #25 - Jul 7th, 2010 at 12:02am
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After reading my post. I must add a disclaimer.

DO NOT USE IN ANY Model 44 Stevens or weaker action. Use only in 44 1/2 or action of equal strenght!
  

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Reply #26 - Jul 12th, 2010 at 9:23pm
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38 XL or low pressure 357 Max
Winchester Low Wall, 28" rebored barrel, 20 twist, Fed 357 Max cases, Ideal 35875 mold 208gr in 20/1, Darr lube, BSed. T10 weaver scope.

8.0gr Unique, 1323 fps, 28 ES
10.0gr B'dot, 1349 fps, 56 ES
14.0gr WC820,1437 fps, 28.3 SD, 71 ES 1.0 group @ 100 (I haven't retried this load with rifle primers but, I think the ES would go way down)
15.5 IMR4227, no chrono, 1.4 group, 4 in .69 @ 100
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Reply #27 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 8:25am
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I have a Stevens 44 in 32-40. The rifle is in very good condition and nice and tight when the lever is closed. I'm new to this form and shooting cast bullets in rifles. Have shot cast bullets in revolvers for over 40 years, but new to shooting them in rifles. Everything that I'm reading tells me that my Stevens 44 is not a strong action, so I'm being very carful in what I load and shoot in it. So far I have shot IMR4227 powder at 12.0 to 13.0 grains with cast bullets of 158 grain to 200 grain. The 200 grain bullets are not going through the target key holing but the hole in the target paper shows they have a heavy yaw. The best the rifle has shot so far has been with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Lyman 319247 bullet (PRIMERS USED ARE FEDERAL 210). I have also had some good groups with the SAECO 632 bullet breach seated over the 12.2 grain charge of IMR4227. My rifle has a 1 in 16 twist so I do not believe it will handle bullets that are longer than 1 inch. I would like to hear suggestions from those of you that have had experice with a rifle like mine and where I should go with my quest for accuracy with cast bullets in it. I'd like to have a accurate fixed ammo load and a good load for breach seating. Would placing a thin dental wax wad on top of the powder charge help the powder burn more uniformly? There is just so much room left in the case when a smokeless charge is used. I find that there is a lot of burnt power crumbs in the bore adn the feel of the rifle in recoild tells me that the ignition is just not the same everytime. The results over the chronograph conferm this also with a ES of up to 55 fps.  New to all of this and want to hear your suggestions. Please feel free to contact me at my email address (jads@citlink.net) as I have some interesting photos of bullets recovered. Thanks, Sendaro
  
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Re: Schuetzen Loads
Reply #28 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 8:40am
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The 44 action is on the weaker side. Some will tell you not to shoot it with smokeless but if you keep the pressures low it will not harm the action. You are right the 200 gr bullet is a little to long to stabilize without raising pressures to an unacceptable level for a 44. Best to keep your bullet length under an inch somewhere between .900" and an inch. That should let you shoot with a load that gives an acceptable level of pressure.

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Reply #29 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 7:42am
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40_Rod, Would like to hear your suggestions for loads in my old Stevens 44 in 32-40 Winchester. I have the following powder on hand, IMR4227, SR4759, H110, and Unique. The bullet that I have been casting and shooting is the Lyman 319247 while I wait for my new SAECO 632 mold to be delivered to me. Had some of the 632 bullets that I bought and they seemed to shoot well breach seated with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Federal 210 primer. Also have several different large rifle and pistol primers. Most of my test loads have been with the IMR4227 powder between 12.0 grains and 13.5 grains. I do find a lot of partially burnt powder in the bore. It has been suggested to me that the pressure is low and that is why the powder in leaving the partially burnt crumbs in the bore. It has been suggested to me that I should try H110 between 11 and 13 grains. What are your thoughts on this? Have recovered bullets that show the base as being dented by powder on only one half of the base. I have tried to attach a photo of this and hope that I have done it correctly. Thanks, Sendaro
  
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