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Reply #45 - Feb 18th, 2013 at 6:25pm
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longfoot, There is a #54 Stevens, in fact it is the highest grade that Stevens made. Unless you are lucky at a gun show etc. there is no brass available for the 28/30 Stevens except the RMC. There is no brass in which to re-form 28/30 Stevens.   ledball
  
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Reply #46 - Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:35pm
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I would add to Ledball's statement that the only factory brass I have ever seen is UMC and that I think it went out of production about 1914 when the big ammunition companies tooled up for WW1.  Winchester never made 28-30, and if the demand was there, they would have made the stuff.  It is either RMC (far better) or Bertram (serviceable if you anneal the stuff before use, otherwise not a wise investment).

That said, I have 2 boxes of UMC stuff that came with my rifle in 1967.  I have lost 2 cases to overloads since then.
  
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Reply #47 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 4:20pm
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38/55 Schuetzen offhand load. Never cronographed never shot from a rest. Shoots to call in a CPA with Douglas 18 inch twist barrel.

330 Gr tapered Hoch cast 1/25, SPG Lube, Breech seated 1/16 inch in front of case.

Single WW 38/55 case never sized, Rem 2 1/2 small pistol primer

Case loaded at the range, Harrels Measure for smokeless Belding & Mull for Black

Smokeless powder 16.5 gr 4227 no wads

Black powder case tapped full of Goex 2 F covered with a Walters .370x.030 card wad hand seated
Black load wiped between shots one wet one dry.  Wet is 1/1 anti- freeze/water with a touch of Blastol lube

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           Did you intend to say you load the 38-55 case and use small pistol primers ?  Or is that a typo which you intended to be Large Pistol primers.

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Reply #48 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 6:12pm
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I'd be very interested in hearing more about loads for 8.15x46r.  I know that it is basically a metric version of the .32-40 but the cases have a fair amount of difference. 
I have quite a bit of 4759 to use in it.
I am interested in both fixed loads for Offhand and Breach seated loads for bench shooting
  

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Reply #49 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 2:54pm
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Wayne,
I've only shot mine BSed so, I can't help at all for fixed.

I've only shot two powders in mine, 4227 and Win 296.

My bullet is a modified 311413 that casts .313 on the bands and I took the GC of and made a .316 base band, .100 long. It's 1.050 long and weights 173 gr in 24/1 alloy.

The base band diameter and the BSing depth will be important in these rifles as, they have long throats.

IMR 4227, F150 primers, all groups at 100 yards. Darr lube, Temp 40 deg.

11.0 gr, 1165 fps, 15.5 SD, 47 ES, (to slow, bullets tipped) 1.75 five shot group.

12.0 gr, 1280 fps, 20.8 SD, 48 ES, .94 group (4 in .40)

13.0 gr, 1356 fps, 18.9 SD, 57 ES, .62 group

If you use H110 or Win 296 reduce the above charges by .5 gr and you will get similar results.

Frank
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Reply #50 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 5:42pm
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thank you,  I'll be shooting the powder I have for  a while, and I have quite a bit of it.  The rifle is new to me so I'll be doing a chamber cast and slugging the bore; though I have no doubt it will prove to be a very well crafted and set up piece.   I already have a mould for a stop ring bullet and I believe I have another mould in my assortment.   Problem is there is such a plethora of moulds for the 32-40/8.15 that there are almost too many choices Wink
  

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Reply #51 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 1:59am
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4759 will give very close velocity's at the same charges but, probably with a little less accuracy. Use std pistol primers with it, I've had my best results with Rem 2 1/2.

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Reply #52 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 1:17am
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Shaw what yardage were you shooting?

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Reply #53 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 9:46pm
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Thank you Sir.

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Reply #54 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:44pm
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2003 Pedersoli Sharps
45 2.1 Starline cases

80grs (wgt) Schuetzen 2F, drop tubed
.06 Walter wad
Compressed .20 from case mouth
.441 450gr paper patched (coffee filter paper 3 wraps) to .449
Wetted with water and a little elmers glue solution
COL 3.1

Hunting / General:
65grs (wgt) Schuetzen 2F, drop tubed
.03 Walter wad
Compressed .62 from case mouth
.1 grease (50/50 beeswax, crisco)
.459 405grFRN
COL 2.585


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Reply #55 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 8:37pm
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My most accurate load to date. 

32-40 BS in a Ballard with 11.5 gain twist RKS bbl and High Wall with 14 twist GM bbl.

Hoch Darr style tapered mold from CPA.@ 20-1
Home brew lube (3 parts Beeswax, 1 part Anhydrous lanolin, 1 part Camp Dry mink oil, 1/4th part LubeGard valve and assembly lube.  All by volume)

Alliant 300MP 12.4 gr
Rem 9 1/2 primers

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Reply #56 - May 1st, 2016 at 8:33pm
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I decided to try John Louis' suggestion and see what a 14+ gr load would do.   Since I was going to run out of my original lot during an upcoming 9 day series of matches, I wen to the range yesterday with the new lot.  The same setting on my Harrell's measure showed a 1/10 grain lighter that the old lot.  Upping the measure setting from 96 to 97 brought the charge back to 12.4 gr and the group as as good at the old lot.  Then I upped to the charge to 14.1 gr , work up a 1/10 at a time and eventually I found the best group at 14.5 gr. 
Now I have to see how it does at Spokane.

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25-21 Smokeless Schuetzen Loads
Reply #57 - Jun 20th, 2017 at 11:27pm
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25-21 Smokeless Loads ...
From Sharpe's book:

8.0/2400/60-gr. metal-cased/ 1527 fps/ 10.5K PSI
11.0/2400/60-gr. MC/ 2036 fps/ 18.0k PSI
13.0/2400/60-gr. MC/2370 fps/ 29.6K PSI (Max or near-max)
6.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" seating depth/953 fps/ 9.1 K PSI
10.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/1673 fps/ 18k PSI
12.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/200 fps/29.4K "Strong rifles only"
5.5/Unique/86-gr lead/0.450" SD/1525 fps

From The Breech-loading Single-shot Rifle:

5.0/Unique/Lyman 88-gr. #257464, breech-seated ahead of case/blotting paper wad in case.
8.0/2400/rest same as above.
  

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