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Schuetzen Loads
Apr 3rd, 2006 at 7:22pm
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OK Fellows I`ll make it easy! I will pin this at the top of the reloading page! And everyone can put there loads, Just like we are doing with the lube!
Now remember to tell us all about your loads!!!!
  

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Reply #1 - Apr 4th, 2006 at 5:03pm
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32 miller short in a miller action with a Ron Smith gain twist (ends in 11 1/2")
13gr. H-108
357 max cases cut lenght
WSR primer
cork wad down on powder
215 gr bullet 3 groove SP Bullet Mould Made by Borton & Darr
cast 1 tin to 24 parts lead
Vel. Is 1525 fps
Now H-108 is no longer on the market, But there is a suplus powder on the market, WW820 which is h-108. Mr Darr and I have test 820  and it gives the same numbers as H-108 with the same loads
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Reply #2 - Apr 4th, 2006 at 7:28pm
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32 Miller long (.357 Maximum reduced to 1.470" & tapered with .223 die)

11.5 gain twist .321 RKS barrel on a Miller action

13.0 grains H108 or AA#9

230.9 grain Paul Jones 32-40 Spitzer (20:1 lead:tin) sized to ,323

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Reply #3 - Apr 5th, 2006 at 9:49am
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32-40, 1:15 twist 28" #4 weight Douglas Barrel
Federal 210 M Primer
13.4 Grains of AA #9
Cork wad set .200" off the powder
Hoch .322-200 Bullet  (Hoch version of the Barnett .32 B2)
Cast 32 parts Lead : 1 part Tin
1460 FPS
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 5th, 2006 at 1:38pm
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As a general starting point for any .32-40, I use about 13.2 to 13.6 gr of 4759 behind whichever bullet (165-205 gr) I am trying, use Win. standard lg rifle primers and my own proprietary Frog Guano all natural lube.  I also start fixed ammo with the same combination...staying at the light end of the powder charges initially.

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PS  For brass, after the John Wayne nickled stuff got scarce and Graf et al started selling new Winchester stuff unprimed, I stopped looking for anything else.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 5th, 2006 at 2:47pm
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Caliber 28-30 Stevens, my rifle is a Winchester with a 30" tapered Stevens barrel, bore diameter is .284. I've had good luck with 10 grains of H4227, a Federal 150 primer in a Dave Casey RMC case. I'm using a Barry Darr 135 grain bullet, 5% tin alloy, without a wad. I find the accuracy to be close to 32-40 with almost no recoil.

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Reply #6 - Apr 8th, 2006 at 6:58pm
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32/40  I use 14grs-4227 Barnett BO 207grs 30/1 Emmert lube.

32 Miller  I use 10.5grs AA#9, floral foam wad,  Hoch nose pour 200grs 30/1 Emmert lube.

38/55 18grs -4227 Barnet 310 grs 30/1 Emmert Lube.
  

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Reply #7 - Apr 10th, 2006 at 9:02pm
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Douglas 32-40 heavy barrel 1:16 twist
208 gr Darr spitzer, Fed 150 primers
14.5 H4227, no wad, Javalina Lube
on a Hoch action
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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2006 at 8:27am
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38/55 Schuetzen offhand load. Never cronographed never shot from a rest. Shoots to call in a CPA with Douglas 18 inch twist barrel.

330 Gr tapered Hoch cast 1/25, SPG Lube, Breech seated 1/16 inch in front of case.

Single WW 38/55 case never sized, Rem 2 1/2 small pistol primer

Case loaded at the range, Harrels Measure for smokeless Belding & Mull for Black

Smokeless powder 16.5 gr 4227 no wads

Black powder case tapped full of Goex 2 F covered with a Walters .370x.030 card wad hand seated
Black load wiped between shots one wet one dry.  Wet is 1/1 anti- freeze/water with a touch of Blastol lube

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Reply #9 - May 14th, 2006 at 10:10am
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CPA 32-40 Model 52
Douglas Premium 28" 1-15 Twist
B&D 220 Gr. Bullet-Breech Seated
Bullet Engraves 1/2 Way Through Base Band
1/16 Cork Wad Seated Behind Bullet
13.7 Grs H-108
Velocity 1434
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Reply #10 - Dec 27th, 2006 at 8:46am
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Well guys,
I shoot my Rollingblock with 60 grain CH3   bulletweight 530 grain
barrellenght 850 mm twist 1:20.
I use wonderlube to grease the bullet and wipe the bore after every shot.
The accuracy : 98% of the shots within 50 mm at 100 meters Grin
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 11th, 2007 at 9:53pm
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In the middle 70's I traded a break open 45-70 single shot for a Remington Rolling Block 11mm egyptian converted to 45-70 with a navy arms octagon barrel and stock with a curved steel butt plate from another schuetzen shooter.I had a Unertyl scope installed,made a bullet breech seater,bought a Lee electric melting pot,lee aluminum 405 bullet mold and used SR4759 & IMR 4198 powders with a dacron over powder wad.Breech set one 500gr soft lead bullet one time and fired it, still remember the discomfort vowing not to do that again.Here's a site I'm interested in for 45-70 using shotgun & pistol powders with lead bullets (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) .
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 23rd, 2007 at 8:24pm
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Austrian Martini 8.15x46R Schuetzen rifle
28" Octagon barrel, 1-15" twist, tapered bore
Lyman 313260 as cast 20:1, 165gr, .315"
Bullet-Breech Seated
Single Super Speed 32 Win Spl case Fire formed
CCI BR-2 large rifle primer
14 gr SR4759
SPG Lube
13/16" foam wad

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Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2007 at 9:04pm
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in a .45-90, 105 gr of Goex Exp. a CCIBR2 primer, over primer wad of newspaper, overpowder wad of 0.06 Walter's fiber wad and 550 gr swaged Sharps long range bullet wrapped with Eaton 9# airmail paper - sized to .450" diameter.

In a .45-100 107.5 gr of Swiss 1fg, WLR primers and all else the same as above.

In .22 long rifle at any range off the bench - Eley Tenex Ultimate EPS.  Offhand, Wolf Match Extra. 

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Reply #14 - Nov 24th, 2007 at 5:53am
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32/40, 14 gr 4227. 200 gr Pope bullet. 20 - 1  breech seated. Any case. LRP.


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Reply #15 - Nov 24th, 2007 at 11:08am
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Hey Joe,

     Oddly enough, that was the most accurate FIXED load I ever had in my recently traded Ruger.  Only difference was the bullet was a Bud Welch adaptation of the old Pope bullet without so much taper.  I'm wondering whether I ought to go back and look at it again for my breech seated loads, but with 15-20 lb of 4759 to shoot up, it may be a while!  Roll Eyes

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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2007 at 7:10am
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fbw mod j 32-40
douglas 1-15
brewer 208 gr french style seated completely in the lands 1/20 mix
15.5 grs 4759
cork wad on powder
ww large pistol primers
one old ww 32-40 case
home made emmert with a twist of cosmoiline and some gunslick gun grease added. charlie harst mix.
works very well.
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Reply #17 - Dec 13th, 2007 at 9:36pm
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25/20 SS.   

7.5 gr of IMR 4227. No wad. 112 gr Pope style tapered bullet is breech seated in the rifling ahead of the case. Fed SR match primer.

This load is very accurate in my cast iron Ballard. It is also a very low pressure load. Safe in any sound Ballard or original low wall Winchester.         Smiley

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Reply #18 - Jul 7th, 2008 at 9:47pm
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I got to spend some quality time with the rifle this past weekend. Tested different primers and different powder. This is what I ended up with as the best combo. Beats my now previous load using SR4759

Austrian Martini 8.15x46R Schuetzen rifle
28" Octagon barrel, 1-15" twist, tapered bore
Lyman 313260 as cast 20:1, 165gr, .315" 
Bullet-Breech Seated 
Single R-P 30-30 case Fire formed
CCI 250 Magnum Large rifle primer
17.5 gr IMR 4064
SPG Lube
No over powder wad
1310fps

I will get to use it this coming weekend at Thurmond.

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Reply #19 - Jul 8th, 2008 at 9:33pm
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25-21 Stevens on a CPA with Shilen barrel, and a 1 in 12 twist.  Hoch pope style bullet at 105 grains.  Bullet is breach seated ahead of 8 grains of AA #9.  There is a floral wad .25 inch ahead of the powder and a cork wad to top the thing off.  Shoots very well on a calm day.
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 9th, 2008 at 4:13pm
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Plain Uberti 38-55 HiWall with a 3" Soule vernier and a Lyman 17A:
Lyman 378674      332gr Bhn 8.2      
Starline 2.125
Federal 150
0.01 Paper wad over primer hole
Meteor FFg-Sifted  42grs
0.03 LDPE      wad
2.950 COAL
1087 fps

Took vernier setting this October at the Ridgway Rifle Club on all the steels out to 500m.  Rifle shot this recipe accurately and the steels went down consistently
  

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I have a Orignal AYDT 7.7x46R with a 32'' barrel
My starting load was
21gr IMR3031
165 gr bullet 3.15
Loading dies are home made
32-40 brass cut to 46mm in length
fireformed
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Reply #22 - May 13th, 2009 at 10:49pm
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10.5 gr AA#9, Lee Liquid Alox lube, 14 twist barrel, 175 gr 0.323" spritzer bullet, small pistol primers (any I can get), 32 Brewer cartage (32 Max cut to 1.4") and reduced neck to 0.323" od.  Cast 20/1, experimenting with swaged bullets
  

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Reply #23 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 2:09pm
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Old Reloading Manual
32-40 - 170gr bullet
All using a Remington 9 1/2 primer
H2400 - 13gr - 1125 fps
H2400 - 14gr - 1300 fps
IMR4227 - 14gr - 1050 fps
IMR4198 - 19gr - 1295 fps
IMR3031 - 26gr - 1545 fps
IMR4895 - 28gr - 1700 fps
IMR4064 - 23.5gr - 1525 fps
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32-40 Hodgdon Loading Data
All MAXIMUM Loading Data
196 GR. HOCH  H4227  .324"  2.555"  13.0  1367  18,000 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  H110  .324"  2.555"        12.0  1376  19,200 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        9.3  1237  19,600 CUP      
196 GR. HOCH  IMR  Trail Boss  .324"  2.555"  5.0  833  12,500 CUP MINIMUM 
6.0  935  25,300 CUP  MAXIMUM  
202 GR. POPE  H4227  .324"  2.555"        14.0  1376  15,900 CUP      
202 GR. POPE  H110  .324"  2.555"        13.0  1386  17,900 CUP  
202 GR. POPE  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        9.5  1264  20,100 CUP      
204 GR. MILLER  H4227  .324"  2.555"        13.5  1367  16,300 CUP
204 GR. MILLER  H110  .324"  2.555"        13.0  1369  17,900 CUP
204 GR. MILLER  Lil'Gun  .324"  2.555"        10.8  1310  20,100 CUP

.......................................................
Goex Loading Data:
32-40
165gr bullet - 40gr FFFg - 1450 fps
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Ideal Hand Book - 1949
32-40
Bullet - Weight - Powder - Grains - Velocity
32360 - 125gr - #2400 - 13.0gr - 1680 fps
319247 - 165 - #4759 - 9.0 - 1107
319247 - 165 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1427
319247 - 165 - #2400 - 13.6 - 1545
321232 - 170 - #4759 - 13.2 - 1400
319295 - 170 - Lightning - 21.0 - 1800
319289 - 185 - #2400 - 11.0 - 1250
319273 - 185 - #4759 - 13.0 - 1350 (unsized, barrel throated)
  

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Reply #24 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 11:50pm
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For any of you that would like to load for the 32/35 Stevens. I worked with this caliber for more than 5 years. It's a wonderful all around cartridge. I shot smokless ASSRA matches, BP matches and CBA matches with it. It did either very well or excelled in all of them.

The gun was a Hoch that I reworked, barreled with a straight octigon Douglas barrel of .308 groove dia. 14 twist, 26" lg and chambered with my own reamer. All BSed smokeless loads were with Darr lube and a 1.165 lg tapered Ron Long spitzer cast in 22-24/1 alloy. Same with BP but with my own lube. CBA loads were fixed GC loads, 2 ww/1 lino, using 30% lithium in beeswax for lube. My BP lube was equal parts par, vas, bw & Crisco. GC primers were Fed210.

CBA load
26.0gr AA2520 2027 fps, 170gr Saeco TP, 2.9 SD, 7 ES
27.0gr             2015 fps, 187gr RCBS 180 FN, 9 SD, 22 ES
This case has about 2.2 cc vol. about what the 30 PPC has.

Smokeless BS
11.5gr WC 820  1446 fps, 9.3 SD, 32 ES (Fed210)
12.0gr IMR4227 1423 fps, 8.3 SD, 24 ES (Fed150)
13.0gr WW 296  1460 fps, 8.9 SD, 30 ES (Fed150)

BP
5.0gr 4759/30gr F 1523fps 39.1 SD, 90 ES
Fed 30 American Case F100 primer
Darr lube was 1373 fps, 1/2 the ES but .2" larger groups @ 100 yds.

I know .312 is the std groove but, I wanted .308. I'm not a purest but, I am a traditionalist. QC in thoses days wasn't that great, anyway LOL
  

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After reading my post. I must add a disclaimer.

DO NOT USE IN ANY Model 44 Stevens or weaker action. Use only in 44 1/2 or action of equal strenght!
  

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38 XL or low pressure 357 Max
Winchester Low Wall, 28" rebored barrel, 20 twist, Fed 357 Max cases, Ideal 35875 mold 208gr in 20/1, Darr lube, BSed. T10 weaver scope.

8.0gr Unique, 1323 fps, 28 ES
10.0gr B'dot, 1349 fps, 56 ES
14.0gr WC820,1437 fps, 28.3 SD, 71 ES 1.0 group @ 100 (I haven't retried this load with rifle primers but, I think the ES would go way down)
15.5 IMR4227, no chrono, 1.4 group, 4 in .69 @ 100
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I have a Stevens 44 in 32-40. The rifle is in very good condition and nice and tight when the lever is closed. I'm new to this form and shooting cast bullets in rifles. Have shot cast bullets in revolvers for over 40 years, but new to shooting them in rifles. Everything that I'm reading tells me that my Stevens 44 is not a strong action, so I'm being very carful in what I load and shoot in it. So far I have shot IMR4227 powder at 12.0 to 13.0 grains with cast bullets of 158 grain to 200 grain. The 200 grain bullets are not going through the target key holing but the hole in the target paper shows they have a heavy yaw. The best the rifle has shot so far has been with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Lyman 319247 bullet (PRIMERS USED ARE FEDERAL 210). I have also had some good groups with the SAECO 632 bullet breach seated over the 12.2 grain charge of IMR4227. My rifle has a 1 in 16 twist so I do not believe it will handle bullets that are longer than 1 inch. I would like to hear suggestions from those of you that have had experice with a rifle like mine and where I should go with my quest for accuracy with cast bullets in it. I'd like to have a accurate fixed ammo load and a good load for breach seating. Would placing a thin dental wax wad on top of the powder charge help the powder burn more uniformly? There is just so much room left in the case when a smokeless charge is used. I find that there is a lot of burnt power crumbs in the bore adn the feel of the rifle in recoild tells me that the ignition is just not the same everytime. The results over the chronograph conferm this also with a ES of up to 55 fps.  New to all of this and want to hear your suggestions. Please feel free to contact me at my email address (jads@citlink.net) as I have some interesting photos of bullets recovered. Thanks, Sendaro
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 1st, 2010 at 8:40am
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The 44 action is on the weaker side. Some will tell you not to shoot it with smokeless but if you keep the pressures low it will not harm the action. You are right the 200 gr bullet is a little to long to stabilize without raising pressures to an unacceptable level for a 44. Best to keep your bullet length under an inch somewhere between .900" and an inch. That should let you shoot with a load that gives an acceptable level of pressure.

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40_Rod, Would like to hear your suggestions for loads in my old Stevens 44 in 32-40 Winchester. I have the following powder on hand, IMR4227, SR4759, H110, and Unique. The bullet that I have been casting and shooting is the Lyman 319247 while I wait for my new SAECO 632 mold to be delivered to me. Had some of the 632 bullets that I bought and they seemed to shoot well breach seated with 12.2 grains of IMR4227, and a Federal 210 primer. Also have several different large rifle and pistol primers. Most of my test loads have been with the IMR4227 powder between 12.0 grains and 13.5 grains. I do find a lot of partially burnt powder in the bore. It has been suggested to me that the pressure is low and that is why the powder in leaving the partially burnt crumbs in the bore. It has been suggested to me that I should try H110 between 11 and 13 grains. What are your thoughts on this? Have recovered bullets that show the base as being dented by powder on only one half of the base. I have tried to attach a photo of this and hope that I have done it correctly. Thanks, Sendaro
  
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Reply #30 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 7:56am
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For your gun I would recommend 4227 or 4759. 4227 meters easier in the small amounts needed for 32-40. You may need to up your charge slightly but don't go beyond 14.5. Do not under any circumstances use H110 in a 44. People have reported odd pressure spikes with that powder loose in a large case and earlier this year I published pictures of a Winchester High wall that had been double charged. Unique has a potential for disaster although it has been used for indoor squib loads.

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Reply #31 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 8:19am
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"I do find a lot of partially burnt powder in the bore. It has been suggested to me that the pressure is low and that is why the powder in leaving the partially burnt crumbs in the bore."

In looking at your bullets, it looks to me that the reason you are not getting enough pressure to burn all you powder, is they are a bit to small for your groove dia. I do not see much engraving of the rifleing.
A larger dia bullet would ad more resistance and the powder would burn more efficiently.
This is just my observation, nothing says I am a expert.

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Reply #32 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 8:24am
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H 110 is hard to ignite. Manley Oakley did intensional blowups with a Ruger #1 in 32/40, .32 Miller and 6 BR.  He managed to blow the rifle up twice. By blow up I mean the case exited the action in both cases. Parts were bent in the action.  

Manley theorized that H110 was blown into the neck area which created a mechanical plug causing detonation.  I think, both blow ups were accomplished with the 6BR type case. Manley recommended magnum primers and a wad if you had to use H110 powder for reduced loads.  

I think a bad combination would be a pistol primer, H110 and fixed ammo.  Just theorizing. Wont use H110 for reduced loads in anything.

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Reply #33 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 7:26am
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Thanks Guys. I had red flags up about using H110 or 296 in the 32-40. There would be a lot of extra room and I remember form my loading of handgun cartridges the advice that was given there many years ago about reduced loads.
   The bullets that I'm shooting are not sized. They are dropping from the mold at .322". As it is with most all bullets from a mold they are not round to start with. Wonder it getting a .321 die for my lube & sizer would make any differance. I just keep getting so much conflicting advice about sizing cast bullets and shooting them as they come from the mold. It would appear to me that the bullets at .321 to .322" are sealing the bore. I'm getting no leading or gas cutting. There is a nice even ridge of lube around the muzzle of my rifle after shooting sevral shots. Looks like I will have to spend more time at my shooting lab this winter to get this project sorted out. That in itself is not a bad passtime in the winter months. Thanks again, Sendaro
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 2:12pm
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Is the groove on your rifle .319? I don't know SAECO numbers but if any of your bullets are tapered, don't size them. If they breech seat easily, don't size them, either. You haven't said anything about how your breech seating. Your breech seater needs to fit the chamber well and the bullet. About .001 clearance for the BSer in the chamber and .001 clearance for the bullet inside the BSer. If your using a fired case to BS, size the last 1/4" to .001 over the bullet.

The other thing is the BS depth. What are you using for that? A card wad should take care of the peening on the bases of the bullets.

I always use pistol primers with all my powders (except WC820) and  Rem 2 1/2 with 4759. Fed 150's work with most everything but, I haven't had much luck with Fed 210's. Win LR seem to work for most people though.

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Reply #35 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 5:31pm
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frnkeore, The groove dia is .319. I do not size the SAECO #632 bullet. It is a tapered one. I was told to make a breach seating tool by using a cartridge case with a wood dowle inserted with approx. 1/16" sticking out and as square as I can make it. It seems to work OK with the tapered bullets, but the Lyman #319247 bullets that I'm casting and have some that I bought are not a tapered bullet and it is very very hard to breach seat them. So those I load as fixed ammo. I have been trying them different ways. One way is with the cartridge case not resized, but just reprimed, charged and the bullet seated with my fingers. I leave it long so that as I close the breach on the cartridge it seats the bullet to the lead ramps on the rifling. Sometimes this shoots great and then every once in a while one takes a flyer. The loading dies that I have are the RCBS Cowboy action shooting dies that are designed for lead bullets. The expander die is much like the die that Lyman offers. If I was to make a card wad to protect the bullet base would it fall away as the bullet exited the muzzle? I assume that the card wad would not be pushed down on the top or the powder charge. Please advise. I have Winchester / Western 7-111 large pistol primers that are a standard primer. I could try them instead of the Federal 210 primer that I have been using. I also have Remington 2 1/2 primers that I could use. Again your suggestions are a help. I have added a photo that will show my Stevens 44 in 32-40 Winchester along with some of my old 22 rimfire rifles.Thanks, Sendaro
  
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Reply #36 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 7:53pm
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Hi Sendaro,
Your 44 looks much like mine. Does yours have a #2 or #3 barrel? Mines a #3, it's stamped on the bottom of the barrel. My barrel is also .319 groove  with a .315 bore (.002 deep rifling). There is a pic of it in the picture thread.

Mine will shoot 1" groups at 100 yds with a BSed 319274 Ideal bullet (180 gr), 12.2 gr (20 gr by volume on a Lyman measure) 4759 and a 2 1/2 Rem primer. My barrel is as new on the rifle. Other target loads of 4227 should also do well with most pistol primers.

BS a bullet, tap it back out. Measure from the base of it to the start of where it first makes contact with the groove diameter. You want that to measure between .035 and .050. A magic marker may help you see that location if you coat the base with it.

My fixed BP load is 6 gr 4759 same primer, fill with FG so the cartridge just seats. Neck size the case about 1/4" at .001 larger than the bullet so, it just slips in. My gun will will shoot under 2" at 100 that way w/o cleaning. I've never used a card wad but, you would put it under the bullet against the BP. They do fall off. If you use a wad with the smokeless, put it at the mouth of the case. Make it large enough that it stays there. Try the tapered bullet with the BP, use a soft lube like Darr or Emmert

If your going to shoot it a lot, get a BSer made that has a adj piston to push the bullet in to place.

Hope that helps,

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Reply #37 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 9:03pm
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Frank, Where do I go to have a breach seater made? I'm not sure even what they look like. Who do you suggest? I will try your suggestions. Thanks for the help. Most of this is new to me. Have been a hand loader for rifle, pistol, and shotgun for 46 years, but loading for cast bullets in a rifle is new to me. My casting was done for pistols for many years, but they shot well with about anything that I cast when shot at less then 50 yards. I'm learning about casting, loading and shooting this old Stevens 32-40. It's fun and I'm sure with the help of shooters like you and my years of loading adn shooting I will end up cracking this nut in the long run. Thanks, Sendaro
  
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Reply #38 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 7:53pm
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Look in the for sale here, there was a member making them for resale.
  

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Reply #39 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 10:54pm
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Would I be able to breach seat bullet that are not the tapered type as well as the tapered ones? I shot a breach seated bullet today that shot very well. Using a tang sight (Lyman #103)  and a Maynard globe front was able to shoot a very nice little group. I removed the Wm Malcolm 6X reproduction scope and shot the aforementioned to sight the rifle in with the new front globe. I was very happy with the results. First shot went low at 100 yards so the elevation was cranked up and shot #2 sent down the range. It came in less than 3/8" low. Cranked the elevation up two more clicks and the next three rounds cut each other in the bulls eye at 6 O'clock. Two more clicks in elevation got the point of impact up in the area of center bull, but I lost one. Called the shot out at 9 o'clock and it was there when I checked in the spotting scope. see the test target.



  
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Reply #40 - May 9th, 2011 at 6:03pm
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Hi, I am new to thid forum.  My dad has done some trading and cme up with a beautiful Schutzen in 28-30-120 Stevens.  The action is a Stevens 54, if he sent the e-mail correctly.  Did Stevens make a 54?  I have found one load mentioned on this forum for the 28 Stevens.  does anyone out there have others?  I was given RMC for brass.  I know about Stars and Stripes Ammo.  Does anyone out there have boxes and boxes of this brass that they wish to sell one?  Is there a way to reform another caliber brass to fit?  Any information or anticdotes on this gun/ caliber would be appreciated.  Thanks.
  
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Reply #41 - Dec 15th, 2011 at 5:08pm
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In my 32-40 Hi Wall with a 1:14 bbl, I've had good luck with 15.3 gr 4198, Fed 205 primer, with a Paul Jones "French" or a Saeco bullet.  I lube Beeswax 6parts, 2-3 parts safflower oil, 1 or 2 parts lanolin.  pan lubed  Works good for me! Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #42 - Mar 25th, 2012 at 2:53pm
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.32 Krag. 

Breech seated 170 gr tapered. 15.5 gr Lilgun. LRP
  
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Reply #43 - May 4th, 2012 at 11:47am
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25-21 Stevens
    100gr bullet,25/1,BS
    7.5grs AA-9
    Rem 71/2 SRBR
  
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Has anyone used AA7 for there 38-55?
  
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Reply #45 - Feb 18th, 2013 at 6:25pm
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longfoot, There is a #54 Stevens, in fact it is the highest grade that Stevens made. Unless you are lucky at a gun show etc. there is no brass available for the 28/30 Stevens except the RMC. There is no brass in which to re-form 28/30 Stevens.   ledball
  
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Reply #46 - Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:35pm
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I would add to Ledball's statement that the only factory brass I have ever seen is UMC and that I think it went out of production about 1914 when the big ammunition companies tooled up for WW1.  Winchester never made 28-30, and if the demand was there, they would have made the stuff.  It is either RMC (far better) or Bertram (serviceable if you anneal the stuff before use, otherwise not a wise investment).

That said, I have 2 boxes of UMC stuff that came with my rifle in 1967.  I have lost 2 cases to overloads since then.
  
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Reply #47 - Jun 13th, 2013 at 4:20pm
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38/55 Schuetzen offhand load. Never cronographed never shot from a rest. Shoots to call in a CPA with Douglas 18 inch twist barrel.

330 Gr tapered Hoch cast 1/25, SPG Lube, Breech seated 1/16 inch in front of case.

Single WW 38/55 case never sized, Rem 2 1/2 small pistol primer

Case loaded at the range, Harrels Measure for smokeless Belding & Mull for Black

Smokeless powder 16.5 gr 4227 no wads

Black powder case tapped full of Goex 2 F covered with a Walters .370x.030 card wad hand seated
Black load wiped between shots one wet one dry.  Wet is 1/1 anti- freeze/water with a touch of Blastol lube

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Reply #48 - Jul 15th, 2013 at 6:12pm
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I'd be very interested in hearing more about loads for 8.15x46r.  I know that it is basically a metric version of the .32-40 but the cases have a fair amount of difference. 
I have quite a bit of 4759 to use in it.
I am interested in both fixed loads for Offhand and Breach seated loads for bench shooting
  

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Reply #49 - Jul 16th, 2013 at 2:54pm
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Wayne,
I've only shot mine BSed so, I can't help at all for fixed.

I've only shot two powders in mine, 4227 and Win 296.

My bullet is a modified 311413 that casts .313 on the bands and I took the GC of and made a .316 base band, .100 long. It's 1.050 long and weights 173 gr in 24/1 alloy.

The base band diameter and the BSing depth will be important in these rifles as, they have long throats.

IMR 4227, F150 primers, all groups at 100 yards. Darr lube, Temp 40 deg.

11.0 gr, 1165 fps, 15.5 SD, 47 ES, (to slow, bullets tipped) 1.75 five shot group.

12.0 gr, 1280 fps, 20.8 SD, 48 ES, .94 group (4 in .40)

13.0 gr, 1356 fps, 18.9 SD, 57 ES, .62 group

If you use H110 or Win 296 reduce the above charges by .5 gr and you will get similar results.

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thank you,  I'll be shooting the powder I have for  a while, and I have quite a bit of it.  The rifle is new to me so I'll be doing a chamber cast and slugging the bore; though I have no doubt it will prove to be a very well crafted and set up piece.   I already have a mould for a stop ring bullet and I believe I have another mould in my assortment.   Problem is there is such a plethora of moulds for the 32-40/8.15 that there are almost too many choices Wink
  

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Reply #51 - Jul 17th, 2013 at 1:59am
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4759 will give very close velocity's at the same charges but, probably with a little less accuracy. Use std pistol primers with it, I've had my best results with Rem 2 1/2.

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Reply #52 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 1:17am
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Shaw what yardage were you shooting?

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Thank you Sir.

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2003 Pedersoli Sharps
45 2.1 Starline cases

80grs (wgt) Schuetzen 2F, drop tubed
.06 Walter wad
Compressed .20 from case mouth
.441 450gr paper patched (coffee filter paper 3 wraps) to .449
Wetted with water and a little elmers glue solution
COL 3.1

Hunting / General:
65grs (wgt) Schuetzen 2F, drop tubed
.03 Walter wad
Compressed .62 from case mouth
.1 grease (50/50 beeswax, crisco)
.459 405grFRN
COL 2.585


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Reply #55 - Mar 20th, 2016 at 8:37pm
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My most accurate load to date. 

32-40 BS in a Ballard with 11.5 gain twist RKS bbl and High Wall with 14 twist GM bbl.

Hoch Darr style tapered mold from CPA.@ 20-1
Home brew lube (3 parts Beeswax, 1 part Anhydrous lanolin, 1 part Camp Dry mink oil, 1/4th part LubeGard valve and assembly lube.  All by volume)

Alliant 300MP 12.4 gr
Rem 9 1/2 primers

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I decided to try John Louis' suggestion and see what a 14+ gr load would do.   Since I was going to run out of my original lot during an upcoming 9 day series of matches, I wen to the range yesterday with the new lot.  The same setting on my Harrell's measure showed a 1/10 grain lighter that the old lot.  Upping the measure setting from 96 to 97 brought the charge back to 12.4 gr and the group as as good at the old lot.  Then I upped to the charge to 14.1 gr , work up a 1/10 at a time and eventually I found the best group at 14.5 gr. 
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25-21 Smokeless Loads ...
From Sharpe's book:

8.0/2400/60-gr. metal-cased/ 1527 fps/ 10.5K PSI
11.0/2400/60-gr. MC/ 2036 fps/ 18.0k PSI
13.0/2400/60-gr. MC/2370 fps/ 29.6K PSI (Max or near-max)
6.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" seating depth/953 fps/ 9.1 K PSI
10.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/1673 fps/ 18k PSI
12.0/2400/86-gr SP/0.450" SD/200 fps/29.4K "Strong rifles only"
5.5/Unique/86-gr lead/0.450" SD/1525 fps

From The Breech-loading Single-shot Rifle:

5.0/Unique/Lyman 88-gr. #257464, breech-seated ahead of case/blotting paper wad in case.
8.0/2400/rest same as above.
  

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