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Feb 18th, 2008 at 10:43pm
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Since my single shot 'bug' has been touched off I've been searching the web to see who makes what. I saw Remington makes a couple of  Rolling  Block riles that look nice in the 3000 - 3500 price range. Harrington & Richardson make a CR-1871. This 'buffalo' rifle goes for $400 new.  I'm curious why it's so inexpensive .. or cheap? Has anyone seen this?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 8:14am
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Richard,
I have one. It is a simple yet nice looking single shot on a format that has been built for decades. This is a part of why it is "cheap". However, if you are looking to shoot in competition I am not sure it qualifies for NRA matches because of the rule regarding when they were available. It seems I heard that some were making a move to have it approved by the NRA but I don't really know if there is any merit to that or if the NRA would have approved it even if there was.
If you are looking to shoot in the big bore class of the ASSRA schuetzen matches I believe it would qualify. That may depend on the individual Schuetzenmiester.
All that said, I really like my gun. It has nice colors, the wood is ok but fit to action is oversized like on everything else made by those guys. It shoots good. I ordered a .22 hornet barrel and it was fit to the checkered forened by the factory so I have a 2 barrel set. This is a nice feature to these guns. Total for an additional barrel with shippong installed and fit by the factory is less than 150.00! Last I looked, they still offered the 38-55 barrel as an accessory, might make a good entry level schuetzen gun?
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Reply #2 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 12:44pm
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Thanks for the info. It seems like at the price they are offering it at one could have plenty of cash left over to cusomize it.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 12:56pm
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There is a whole forum devoted to 'Handi-holics' on Graybeardoutdoors.com .

Often you'll see threads there on accurizing and customizing.

  

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Reply #4 - Feb 19th, 2008 at 11:10pm
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I would recomed checking out the used market. I have seen these at local gun shows for very reasonable prices. Check the on line auctons also. They are neat guns for the money. Do not own one YET.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2008 at 3:12am
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I own a 38-55 bought it because it was cheap , I thought it would be a good play thing but it is way better than that . I just wish it weighed a pound more. It dose shoot . I heard Treebone made a butt-stock but don't know if that is true. You get a lot of gun for the money.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2008 at 7:35am
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An earlier reply commented the rifle was not legal for NRA competition.  I'm not sure if it is or not for silhouette, but for NRA Black Powder Target rifle competition it is perfectly legal.  So long as the sights are a pre-1896 design.  NRA BP Target rifle competitions are shot between 200 - 600 yards midrange and 800 - 1000 yards long range.  There are even some reduced midrange courses. 
Even modern inline muzzleloaders are legal so long as the sights are correct.  Although scopes are legal, they must be less then 1" objective / ocular diameter, 3/4" tube and use either Malcomn or early turret type mounts without clicks.  Time limits are much more liberal then silhouette also.  Frank M.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 16th, 2008 at 5:34pm
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Well if the H&R Buffalo Classic isn't a legal rifle for NRA shoots, it ought to be.  It meets all the criteria, and to the critics that say it's not typical of a late 19th Century single shot rifle, I would say take a look at this!  It's the Wurfflein tip-up rifle made in Philadelphia 1880's - 90's.  H&R says that the Buffalo Classic is styled after the Wesson rifle, I would have to say no to that, but it sure looks ALLOT like the Wurfflein!
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 12:24pm
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Wow, I agree with zpeters78. There is really no reason why the H&R Buffalo Classic can't be included in competions. Maybe it's because all the shooters with high dollar rifles would hate to get beat by a $300 rifle!  Grin
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 1:29pm
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19bluesman85 wrote on Mar 17th, 2008 at 12:24pm:
Wow, I agree with zpeters78. There is really no reason why the H&R Buffalo Classic can't be included in competions. Maybe it's because all the shooters with high dollar rifles would hate to get beat by a $300 rifle!  Grin


IMO you have hit the nail squarely on the head. The mental giants at the NRA's Sillywet Competition Committee have said that the H&R is not legal while a stainless-steel 'Farrow' race gun action qualifies as legal. What a farce!

Orwell was right, some animals are indeed more equal than others! Reminds me of some other rules in other organizations........
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Reply #10 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 7:25pm
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The big drawback for the H&R Target Classic and Buffalo Classics are the sights. The Williams is not legal, and changing to a vernier long range type sight is very hard to do, as there's no tang to mount it on.
I've seen some folks mount their sights right into the stock, behind the frame, but it looked petty shaky, even with a metal base bedded into the stock.
I made a top tang for mine, and had it TIG welded inside so it wouldn't show. Then I inletted the stock to fit around it. Worked well, and I just cold blued it, and drilled and tapped for a sight I had already.
The throughbolt design is nice, and I added weight to mine by filling the hroughbolt hole with #8 lead shot, and just putting the buttplate back over it. Added enough weight to really make it feel better, and handle the .45-70 recoil better.
  
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Reply #11 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 7:30pm
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Well it looks like the Wurfflein was not the only tip-up rifle used in the 1800's.  Look at this C.B. Holden (looks kinda like the H&R Buffalo Classic).
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 7:35pm
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It would seem to me, in the spirit of getting people involved in shooting BPCR that could otherwise not afford to be involved (not everyone can afford a $1200 or more rifle), that the H&R Buffalo Classic would be a very formadable rifle to "get into the game".
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 7:56pm
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marlinguy wrote on Mar 17th, 2008 at 7:25pm:
The big drawback for the H&R Target Classic and Buffalo Classics are the sights. The Williams is not legal, and changing to a vernier long range type sight is very hard to do, as there's no tang to mount it on.
I've seen some folks mount their sights right into the stock, behind the frame, but it looked petty shaky, even with a metal base bedded into the stock.
I made a top tang for mine, and had it TIG welded inside so it wouldn't show. Then I inletted the stock to fit around it. Worked well, and I just cold blued it, and drilled and tapped for a sight I had already.
The throughbolt design is nice, and I added weight to mine by filling the hroughbolt hole with #8 lead shot, and just putting the buttplate back over it. Added enough weight to really make it feel better, and handle the .45-70 recoil better.


What about this sight on a Buffalo Classic?

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Reply #14 - Mar 17th, 2008 at 8:01pm
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Here is the photo of the old Peabody rifle with a similar rear sight:
  
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