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Reply #30 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 9:03pm
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Toolmkr,
Here is a Military match rifle with the Field falling block action (made by Greener) in 500/450 No.2 that I am currently working with. As MartiniBelgian says it is a simple yet strong action and is very well made. Barrel has henry rifling and it shoots very nicely with PP.
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Reply #31 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 9:10pm
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MartiniBelgian wrote on Apr 10th, 2010 at 3:22am:
Whitey,

Yours is not the Falling block one though - you have the Field-Martini action on that rifle.

Gert I know but just had to throw it in. Smiley
  
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Reply #32 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 9:12pm
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Spud, more photos please, internals if possible, I like the way it looks Cool.
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Reply #33 - Apr 10th, 2010 at 10:12pm
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Mike-T,
Can't do at the moment as the rifle is away having some work done. Will send some at a later date. In the meantime have a look at the patent docs & diagrams on MartiniBelgian's site. Also some good photos & info in Kirton's chapter on the Field action (pgs 196-207) and Winfer's Vol.2 (Gibbs, pgs 152-153).
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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #34 - Apr 11th, 2010 at 9:26am
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You could call it the Brit Hiwall - except it is quite a bit simpler.  I would only make 2 modifications to it:
1. Separate (and weaker) trigger return spring
2. Modify for stock bolt
IMO, it wouldn't give up anything to any other action out there - lock time would be quite a bit faster than a Farq while being at least as solid - not so fast as a Martini maybe, but then again, not everyone is born equal...  Wink  Moreover, it is extremely simple construction-wise.  quite a few years ago there was a gent in SA (Karl Schlager) making replica's of these, but unfortunately he doesn't do so anymore - and I missed the chance of getting his last one.  Then again, I was young and poor then (now I 'm old and poor  Grin  )  And yes, the patent information is on my website.
Of course, Spud's rifle is extremely desireable as it is chambered in my all-time favorite round - the #2 Musket.  I now have 4 rifles chambered for this round, and every one of them has proven to be a tackdriver.
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Reply #35 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 11:15am
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MartiniB & Spud, Thanks for the pictures. Looking forward to seeing additional info posted. This action seems to be the best to copy with modifications. I believe all exact or very close copies should be so marked in a way so removal would be very noticeable, preventing fraud.
  
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Reply #36 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 1:43pm
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Send me a PM with your email, and I'll send some scans to you...
  
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Reply #37 - Apr 12th, 2010 at 7:56pm
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His double rifles are plenty pricey.


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Reply #38 - Apr 13th, 2010 at 9:41am
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Spud thank you for all the info & photos you have already provided me, have been looking for my next winters project, had about settled on the De Haas round bolt single shot, modified to a striker action as the Gerfen SS rifle shown in the 2010 GD page 76. After seeing your Military Field falling block and the prints thanks to MartiniBelgian, I have reconsidered and when not casting bullets for this summer’s matches will start collecting up the scraps of hard wood and lexan/delrin etc to start putting together a working model right after Deer season, may try to incorporate a striker similar to the striker in the Gerfen.
Spud I do not have the books you mentioned for more Field info, reduced  everything I owned before my move from PA to northern MI a couple years ago to make weight, decided to keep my shop equipment, books were the next heaviest thing, so they had to be drastically reduced, had at least one of Winfer's excellent books, sadly  Cry it did not make the cut and was sold.
As toolmkr said keep the info/photos coming,
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Reply #39 - Apr 14th, 2010 at 8:54am
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Mike-T & Toolmkr,
Happy to help out. Send me a PM with your email and when I get the Field back I'll photograph the major internals of the action and pass them on. Pity about those books MT...you can never have too many reference books! I'd be lost without my library.
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Reply #40 - May 9th, 2010 at 3:39pm
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Creedmoormatch,
I am new to this forum and as the Fraser is of much interest to me I thought I would ask if you are still seeking information. Please let me know?
There was quite a bit discussion about the complications of the Fraser and found my own thoughts to be quite to the oppisite. I believe one of the attributes of the Fraser id that it is not complicated. However this is opinion and to all there own.

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Reply #41 - May 11th, 2010 at 9:19pm
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With all this talk about Frasers lets not forget that the Ruger No 1 (and No 3) are basically the Fraser action turned into an underlever.


I'd say the No.1 is closer to the earlier Aston than to the Fraser but is most certainly neither one--that's why it has its own patent.
  

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Reply #42 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 9:44am
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Resurrecting an old thread, but if there's still any interest in D. & J. Fraser I have a page on them on my web site. See: (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links).

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Reply #43 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 10:19am
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David.  As a long range shooter, I've always found the information and history on your website to be enjoyable reads.  You have much time and energy invested and many thanks for the effort.  Bob
  
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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #44 - Mar 10th, 2011 at 10:29am
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For any of you that are interested in the Field's patent. Tom Oppel has a great article on one he built from a kit in the new Journal.

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