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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #45 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 5:02pm
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    dbm  .   .   .   .Hello David ;

    Thank you for bringing this information to the attention of ASSRA readers.

    I've just returned from the Baltimore Gun Show last weekend where I had some very good conversation with two gentlemen from Great Britain, which included the works of Daniel Frazer. 

   I shall remain a great fan of his work in the arms business and shall continue to expand my knowledge at every opportunity to do so.  Thanks for this opportunity.

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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #46 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 7:34pm
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Gone Fly Fishing wrote on Apr 8th, 2010 at 8:42am:
 Where have all the connoisseurs gone to ?

Creedmoormatch


Many of us are just a little slow to join the forum... Cool

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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #47 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 8:16pm
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    HUVIUS , .   .   .   .

   You are by all means, WELCOME to the A.S.S.R.A. Forum, and I hope you enjoy your participation and make many new friends here.

   Thank you for sharing a most exquisite and interesting rifle, from what you have shown of it.  I would prevail upon you to furnish as much more information concerning the piece, to include additional photos, as your time and interest will permit.

   Thank you, and we look forward to having you with us.

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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #48 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 10:34pm
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Creedmoormatch,
Thanks for the welcome!
I frequent a couple other forums - with the same user name (Huvius) so my posts over on those are pretty easy to search out.  That way, regardless of which forum I am posting on, everybody knows it's me (for better or worse... Grin)
My Fraser is a very interesting piece.
From what I have pieced together, which is obviously conjecture for the most part - but some very expert conjecture at that (mostly others' not always mine...), is that it was originally an early model with the safety within the trigger guard.  It was later converted by Fraser to the newer top tang safety configuration and I suspect rebarreled to Fraser's 400/360 at the same time, which, by the way is the same as the 400/360 Purdey but with a different bullet design.
Anyway, the conversion work is definitely Fraser.
My rifle is a rather standard grade gun by Fraser standards - many were highly engraved - but mine has a simple border with most surfaces left open.
That being said, I feel the art of the Fraser rifle is in the design and the quality of the execution.  I doubt there is a genuine Fraser that isn't a best rifle in every respect.  The high level of adornment of some of them is just icing on the cake!
I know one forum member here has had my gun apart - hope he took plenty of pictures and measurements!
Here are a couple more pictures.  The beauty is often in the details...
A couple things of note that I want to point out.
See how the checkering runs right up to the metal of the top tang?  On an original top tang safety model, the checkering would have a border which runs parallel with the metal.  Also the border is different on the tang.


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Re: Daniel Fraser & Co. c.1870-80
Reply #49 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 10:54pm
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I wanted to add my opinion regarding the interest in making a replica of the Fraser action.
Seems to me, that if the top tang were desired, and the action was not a genuine copy of the Fraser, then wouldn't it be easier to make the top tang integral with the action as most of the other period Brit single shots were?
Then the safety could be copied from a Farquharson or Webley or Holland.  And, as an added benefit, the bolt running through the stock could be discarded and the action could be joined to the stock through the top and bottom tangs.  This way, big bores, which seem to be in vogue right now, could sport a decent recoil pad which wouldn't need to be removed to separate the action from the wood.
  
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