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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #15 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:51pm
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old style nickel is MUCH different than modern It has a softer look, with a deeper, just slightly goldish sheen.  Modern nickel has more chrome in it, so its harder and brighter Like an early 60's Cadillac bumper and grill.  there are still a couple places that do old style nickel, SteveD and Glen have both used them.
I have a cast Ballard actioned 22 rf rifle (rebarrelled/modern wood) with original factory nickel on the action; and my 1870's chicago-made perc. schuetzen has nickel on the buttplate and lever. they're not bad looking at all.  not what you'd want for a hunting gun, but for target use---who knows it might blind and distract the other shooters. Grin
  

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Reply #16 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:27pm
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I don't have Grants books handy..but as to reason for the nickle plating...and I'm going on memory now...but weren't those original  Wesson actions cast bronze?
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:34pm
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Since I can't do work that nice, I sure wont judge anyone else's workmanship! But as for the choice of a nickel receiver; I've never cared for them, regardless of who did the work, or what gun it was done on.
  

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Reply #18 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:29am
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marlinguy wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Since I can't do work that nice, I sure wont judge anyone else's workmanship! But as for the choice of a nickel receiver; I've never cared for them, regardless of who did the work, or what gun it was done on.


Marlinguy,

It's not criticism of the workmanship here, that's better than you will find in many a gunsmiths shop. But rather a question of aesthetics in the choice of finish.

Over the last couple of hundred years smiths have used different ways of matting the top of the barrel to cut down or eliminate reflected light so the rifleman can see his target more clearly. With that nickel finish, and at the correct angle to the sun, all your going to see through your sights is a bright ball of light reflected off the top of the receiver ring.  Embarrassed

The very few nickel plated rifles I have seen have always had a dull or matt finish.

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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:37am
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The prettiest Wesson Mid-Range that I ever saw was a 40-70. It was silver plated and fully engraved. It came from Wesson’s shop so everything was top notch.
I have to agree it looks pretty shiny now but once the nickel softens it will look better.

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Reply #20 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:42am
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
old style nickel is MUCH different than modern It has a softer look, with a deeper, just slightly goldish sheen.  Modern nickel has more chrome in it, so its harder and brighter Like an early 60's Cadillac bumper and grill.  there are still a couple places that do old style nickel, SteveD and Glen have both used them.
I have a cast Ballard actioned 22 rf rifle (rebarrelled/modern wood) with original factory nickel on the action; and my 1870's chicago-made perc. schuetzen has nickel on the buttplate and lever. they're not bad looking at all.  not what you'd want for a hunting gun, but for target use---who knows it might blind and distract the other shooters. Grin

Automotive chrome is usually 3 distinct layers: copper, nickel, then chrome.
Not sure if modern nickel plate has chrome in it;Is there any plating reference to substantiate that ?
I was always taught that modern nickel plate does have what is called "brighteners"; which are supposed to eliminate all the polishing required of traditional nickel plate, and help keep the finish from tarnishing.
Perhaps that is a small amount of chrome; not sure.
This is the same problem for the folks that restore those old, fancy parlor stoves that had nickel trim.Same thing for some fancy antique cash registers that nickel plate.
Modern nickel is too shiny and pale compared to antique nickel; which is just that:nickel with no additives.
Antique nickel develops that soft,yellowish, tint that makes it so pleasing to the eye.
  

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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #21 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 9:40am
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.22-5-40 wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 10:27pm:
I don't have Grants books handy..but as to reason for the nickle plating...and I'm going on memory now...but weren't those original  Wesson actions cast bronze?


That's what he says in More SS Rifles...but in SS Rifles, he called them drop-forged--presume at that point, he was guessing, as he said he'd seen only 4 of them.
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 11:41am
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harry_eales wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:29am:
marlinguy wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Since I can't do work that nice, I sure wont judge anyone else's workmanship! But as for the choice of a nickel receiver; I've never cared for them, regardless of who did the work, or what gun it was done on.


Marlinguy,

It's not criticism of the workmanship here, that's better than you will find in many a gunsmiths shop. But rather a question of aesthetics in the choice of finish.

Over the last couple of hundred years smiths have used different ways of matting the top of the barrel to cut down or eliminate reflected light so the rifleman can see his target more clearly. With that nickel finish, and at the correct angle to the sun, all your going to see through your sights is a bright ball of light reflected off the top of the receiver ring.  Embarrassed

The very few nickel plated rifles I have seen have always had a dull or matt finish.

Harry.


Since I don't shoot competitively, my comment on nickeled frames wasn't from a shooter's perspective. It's more just aesthetics in my view. I've not been a fan of nickel receivers whether they were shiny or dull nickel. Just don't care for that contrast personally, and would much rather see case colors for contrast with blued parts.
  

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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #23 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:15pm
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You guys get all hung up on the bright finish.  Bet you could find a dead cat under that forestock.  I can see the side of the lower tang in one picture.   The borders on the checkering look like the checkerer was drunk and didn't give a damn. The points are stubbed off also. No, not top notch craftsmanship on this rifle. 



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Reply #24 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 5:41pm
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Totally agree with you, Joe! Roger Ferrell is a guild gunsmith.  Hallowell advertises that the rifle was built by Ferrell.  Compare it to this website and see if the workmanship is the same.  Whoever laid out that checkering on the forearm was in to his afternoon martinis a little early. Wink  Bob
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Reply #25 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 6:26pm
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Joe went back and took a closer look at the checkering and it surely does not look like Gleen or Steve's work nor that of a guild member.

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Reply #26 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 7:36pm
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Some of the prices for guns on that site are out to lunch.

Farquharson money for ruger #1s.



  
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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #27 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 6:59am
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2nd that, rifle built on a Ruger # 1 may be useful but it's not worth high money to me.

Boy we are critical, but that's the way it is. Nothing at all against Steve Earls fine action, Finished Rifle was just not well planned or executed.

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Reply #28 - Feb 14th, 2014 at 9:08am
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I dont mind the wesson, in all honesty its probably the least garish rifles under the single shot page of that dealer.  You sure can see how tastes and style of single shots have changed in 20 years, Im sure when these guns were new they were the creme de la creme, but tastes have changed and alot of these rifles look like a pair of bell bottom jeans now. 

About the only ones that dont stick out like a whiteline spacer are the Wesson and that Ballard, (notice the ballard weighs 13 pounds).

Theres an 11 pound 50-140 borchardt set up for long range listed for 18k as well as a 9 lb 40-90 with a swiss buttplate for 19k, the work is impeccable but today they would amount to what custom sharps owners call a "mistake rifle".  They look nice but they're nearly unshootable.
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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #29 - Feb 15th, 2014 at 7:04am
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"Theres an 11 pound 50-140 borchardt set up for long range listed for 18k as well as a 9 lb 40-90 with a swiss buttplate for 19k, the work is impeccable but today they would amount to what custom sharps owners call a "mistake rifle".  They look nice but they're nearly unshootable"
I don't understand the "logic" of the above. In the case of the Wesson, the maker built the rifle according to the instructions of the first owner. This is the way the owner wanted it to be made. I understand that the gun was sold to the dealer who is now offering it for sale. So you're blaming someone for having a rifle built to specs you don't like and blaming a dealer for selling it? In the real world, a Ferrari ain't a Hyundai. As  far as tastes changing, I suggest you look at the Dutcher Ballard book or Marcot's book on Rollers, or some of the books on Colts and Winchesters. Since firearms first started being manufactured there have been fancy guns made and lots of them made to be safe queens. Sam Colt made a slew of fancy cased guns, many of which were never intended to be fired. People with the means can always have the guns of their dreams built and in the process keep gunsmiths employed.
  
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