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Feb 11th, 2014 at 11:16pm
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A new Steve Earle No.1 Mid Range by Roger Ferrell shown on Hallowell's site.  Seven nice photos of the rifle, but none shown with the action open.  .30 WCF caliber in a Douglas barrel.

Found it while trolling the web tonight, thought you all would enjoy seeing a rare creation.  Mike

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Reply #1 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 12:07am
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Beautiful rifle, not to offend anyone but if they don't think it is beautiful then they have no appreciation for fine work. Frank
  

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Singleshotlover wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 12:07am:
Beautiful rifle, not to offend anyone but if they don't think it is beautiful then they have no appreciation for fine work. Frank
I have to agree.

Looks like this rifle may have been the inspiration for the build:
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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 1:53am
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Beautiful rifle. Is it perfect? No, has a number of small faults. Most can be corrected.

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westerner wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 1:53am:
Beautiful rifle. Is it perfect? No, has a number of small faults. Most can be corrected.
Joe.  


I have to agree with Joe, beautifully done, but, that Nickel finish is to my eyes ghastly and it's already showing fine scratching. If it were mine I'd get rid of the plating and go for CC hardening or blued finish.
As is, it looks like a pimps rifle.  Roll Eyes

The Wesson shown on Mike_s URL has a tin finish, very unusual unless your in close proximity to a maritime environment where salt air will rust your firearm. I seem to remember reading about the USN buying rifles during the War of Northern Aggression that had at least the barrels 'tinned' to help prevent corrosion.

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Reply #5 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:59am
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RE: the tin plated rifle, I'm confused.  The description says "vibrant case hardening"  What are they referring to?  to me "vibrant' is usually an adjective used with colors.  I don't see any color-caseing except on maybe the hammer and the front sight.

I sorta like the FW/Earle midranges. That first example is really really nice. Every time Steve shows up at EG with one of those actions I start dreaming again. But I'm too gun-poor to act on it.   I'd  really LOVE to see one in gun-grade bronze.
  

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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 7:59am:
RE: the tin plated rifle, I'm confused.  The description says "vibrant case hardening"  What are they referring to?  to me "vibrant' is usually an adjective used with colors.  I don't see any color-caseing except on maybe the hammer and the front sight.



I can easily detect CC hardening on the trigger, hammer and breech block. The rest may be CC hardened under that ghastly plating. I would agree with the colours being vibrant, but after a few years they'll fade unless kept in the dark when not in use. the same items are CC hardened on the Tin (plated?) original but are somewhat faded.

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harry_eales wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 3:11am:
westerner wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 1:53am:
Beautiful rifle. Is it perfect? No, has a number of small faults. Most can be corrected.
Joe.  


I have to agree with Joe, beautifully done, but, that Nickel finish is to my eyes ghastly and it's already showing fine scratching. If it were mine I'd get rid of the plating and go for CC hardening or blued finish.
As is, it looks like a pimps rifle.  Roll Eyes

The Wesson shown on Mike_s URL has a tin finish, very unusual unless your in close proximity to a maritime environment where salt air will rust your firearm. I seem to remember reading about the USN buying rifles during the War of Northern Aggression that had at least the barrels 'tinned' to help prevent corrosion.

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I agree, nicely made rifle; but the nickel plate is blinding.
Can't appreciate the graceful curves of the action.
Maybe a satin nickel would have worked better; but still not as nice as CC or rust blued.
But to each his own !
I remember Sharps & Hankins rifles had leather covered barrels to protect them from salt air??
I wonder how well that worked if they actually got wet ??
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 9:46am
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harry_eales wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 3:11am:
... Nickel finish is to my eyes ghastly and it's already showing fine scratching.


To my eyes as well, though the popularity of nickel in the 19th C. makes it traditional.  A more attractive alternative would be that pewter-colored finish called French-gray.  Don't know how durable it is, but probably more durable than CC.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:18am
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High dollar rifle buyers want pimped up. Look at that stock wood, pretty but not the same at the factory rifle While Nickel is traditional on a Wesson when new it does not strike me right either.

Like to have one of Steve's mid ranges, if ordering from scratch I think I would look at as many originals as possible & order period correct.  May have to be Nickel, did they make them blue or cased ? Other question was .30 WCF a factory Wesson Caliber ? I don't think so.

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boats wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:18am:
Other question was .30 WCF a factory Wesson Caliber ? I don't think so.
Boats


True, but he's not trying to make a counterfeit. If the piece is going to be put to some use beyond fondling in the gun room, an excellent choice:  no obsolete cases to worry about finding or making, & a zillion choices of bullets, or bullet molds, if you're in to drudgery.

If the action is strong enough to handle .30-40, that choice I'd like even better.


  
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Well to each it's own, Personally If I had a Wesson I would want original caliber.  Like you I prefer the 30/40 over the 30/30 in that case High Wall Winchester would be appropriate. Never made any sense to me to chamber old rifles in new calibers when original calibers are adequate.

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Reply #12 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:57pm
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Seems like it would have been more fitting to have one of these built in a .30-30 Wesson; not .30 WCF.
  

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The work is of the highest order, resembles Glenn Flewless's work or possibly Steve Durren's. Glenn's Wesson BP competition rifle is all of that if not more and not a safe queen. Nickle actions were not that unusual for the period so I fail to see the issue. Sure would hate to see you fellows ragging on a rifle that was possibly built by one of or own on this site, not very gentlemanly like. I find it to be an absolutely beautiful rifle and the work is perfection at its finest.

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Reply #14 - Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:16pm
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I have no problem with the nickel plating. I see flaws in the inletting and checkering. Other than those items, it's a real beauty. A little glitzy. A few years of good honest use will tone it down.

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old style nickel is MUCH different than modern It has a softer look, with a deeper, just slightly goldish sheen.  Modern nickel has more chrome in it, so its harder and brighter Like an early 60's Cadillac bumper and grill.  there are still a couple places that do old style nickel, SteveD and Glen have both used them.
I have a cast Ballard actioned 22 rf rifle (rebarrelled/modern wood) with original factory nickel on the action; and my 1870's chicago-made perc. schuetzen has nickel on the buttplate and lever. they're not bad looking at all.  not what you'd want for a hunting gun, but for target use---who knows it might blind and distract the other shooters. Grin
  

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I don't have Grants books handy..but as to reason for the nickle plating...and I'm going on memory now...but weren't those original  Wesson actions cast bronze?
  
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Since I can't do work that nice, I sure wont judge anyone else's workmanship! But as for the choice of a nickel receiver; I've never cared for them, regardless of who did the work, or what gun it was done on.
  

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marlinguy wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Since I can't do work that nice, I sure wont judge anyone else's workmanship! But as for the choice of a nickel receiver; I've never cared for them, regardless of who did the work, or what gun it was done on.


Marlinguy,

It's not criticism of the workmanship here, that's better than you will find in many a gunsmiths shop. But rather a question of aesthetics in the choice of finish.

Over the last couple of hundred years smiths have used different ways of matting the top of the barrel to cut down or eliminate reflected light so the rifleman can see his target more clearly. With that nickel finish, and at the correct angle to the sun, all your going to see through your sights is a bright ball of light reflected off the top of the receiver ring.  Embarrassed

The very few nickel plated rifles I have seen have always had a dull or matt finish.

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Reply #19 - Feb 13th, 2014 at 8:37am
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The prettiest Wesson Mid-Range that I ever saw was a 40-70. It was silver plated and fully engraved. It came from Wesson’s shop so everything was top notch.
I have to agree it looks pretty shiny now but once the nickel softens it will look better.

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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 6:51pm:
old style nickel is MUCH different than modern It has a softer look, with a deeper, just slightly goldish sheen.  Modern nickel has more chrome in it, so its harder and brighter Like an early 60's Cadillac bumper and grill.  there are still a couple places that do old style nickel, SteveD and Glen have both used them.
I have a cast Ballard actioned 22 rf rifle (rebarrelled/modern wood) with original factory nickel on the action; and my 1870's chicago-made perc. schuetzen has nickel on the buttplate and lever. they're not bad looking at all.  not what you'd want for a hunting gun, but for target use---who knows it might blind and distract the other shooters. Grin

Automotive chrome is usually 3 distinct layers: copper, nickel, then chrome.
Not sure if modern nickel plate has chrome in it;Is there any plating reference to substantiate that ?
I was always taught that modern nickel plate does have what is called "brighteners"; which are supposed to eliminate all the polishing required of traditional nickel plate, and help keep the finish from tarnishing.
Perhaps that is a small amount of chrome; not sure.
This is the same problem for the folks that restore those old, fancy parlor stoves that had nickel trim.Same thing for some fancy antique cash registers that nickel plate.
Modern nickel is too shiny and pale compared to antique nickel; which is just that:nickel with no additives.
Antique nickel develops that soft,yellowish, tint that makes it so pleasing to the eye.
  

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I don't have Grants books handy..but as to reason for the nickle plating...and I'm going on memory now...but weren't those original  Wesson actions cast bronze?


That's what he says in More SS Rifles...but in SS Rifles, he called them drop-forged--presume at that point, he was guessing, as he said he'd seen only 4 of them.
  
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harry_eales wrote on Feb 13th, 2014 at 3:29am:
marlinguy wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 11:34pm:
Since I can't do work that nice, I sure wont judge anyone else's workmanship! But as for the choice of a nickel receiver; I've never cared for them, regardless of who did the work, or what gun it was done on.


Marlinguy,

It's not criticism of the workmanship here, that's better than you will find in many a gunsmiths shop. But rather a question of aesthetics in the choice of finish.

Over the last couple of hundred years smiths have used different ways of matting the top of the barrel to cut down or eliminate reflected light so the rifleman can see his target more clearly. With that nickel finish, and at the correct angle to the sun, all your going to see through your sights is a bright ball of light reflected off the top of the receiver ring.  Embarrassed

The very few nickel plated rifles I have seen have always had a dull or matt finish.

Harry.


Since I don't shoot competitively, my comment on nickeled frames wasn't from a shooter's perspective. It's more just aesthetics in my view. I've not been a fan of nickel receivers whether they were shiny or dull nickel. Just don't care for that contrast personally, and would much rather see case colors for contrast with blued parts.
  

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You guys get all hung up on the bright finish.  Bet you could find a dead cat under that forestock.  I can see the side of the lower tang in one picture.   The borders on the checkering look like the checkerer was drunk and didn't give a damn. The points are stubbed off also. No, not top notch craftsmanship on this rifle. 



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Totally agree with you, Joe! Roger Ferrell is a guild gunsmith.  Hallowell advertises that the rifle was built by Ferrell.  Compare it to this website and see if the workmanship is the same.  Whoever laid out that checkering on the forearm was in to his afternoon martinis a little early. Wink  Bob
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Joe went back and took a closer look at the checkering and it surely does not look like Gleen or Steve's work nor that of a guild member.

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Some of the prices for guns on that site are out to lunch.

Farquharson money for ruger #1s.



  
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2nd that, rifle built on a Ruger # 1 may be useful but it's not worth high money to me.

Boy we are critical, but that's the way it is. Nothing at all against Steve Earls fine action, Finished Rifle was just not well planned or executed.

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I dont mind the wesson, in all honesty its probably the least garish rifles under the single shot page of that dealer.  You sure can see how tastes and style of single shots have changed in 20 years, Im sure when these guns were new they were the creme de la creme, but tastes have changed and alot of these rifles look like a pair of bell bottom jeans now. 

About the only ones that dont stick out like a whiteline spacer are the Wesson and that Ballard, (notice the ballard weighs 13 pounds).

Theres an 11 pound 50-140 borchardt set up for long range listed for 18k as well as a 9 lb 40-90 with a swiss buttplate for 19k, the work is impeccable but today they would amount to what custom sharps owners call a "mistake rifle".  They look nice but they're nearly unshootable.
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"Theres an 11 pound 50-140 borchardt set up for long range listed for 18k as well as a 9 lb 40-90 with a swiss buttplate for 19k, the work is impeccable but today they would amount to what custom sharps owners call a "mistake rifle".  They look nice but they're nearly unshootable"
I don't understand the "logic" of the above. In the case of the Wesson, the maker built the rifle according to the instructions of the first owner. This is the way the owner wanted it to be made. I understand that the gun was sold to the dealer who is now offering it for sale. So you're blaming someone for having a rifle built to specs you don't like and blaming a dealer for selling it? In the real world, a Ferrari ain't a Hyundai. As  far as tastes changing, I suggest you look at the Dutcher Ballard book or Marcot's book on Rollers, or some of the books on Colts and Winchesters. Since firearms first started being manufactured there have been fancy guns made and lots of them made to be safe queens. Sam Colt made a slew of fancy cased guns, many of which were never intended to be fired. People with the means can always have the guns of their dreams built and in the process keep gunsmiths employed.
  
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When I say unshootable I mean they'l wallop the snot out of you.  You'l feel 11 pounds out of a 45-90 with a 500 grn pill, 6-700 grains out of an 11 pound 50-140 will do more then massage your cheek bone.  Just because they have long range sights on them does not make them long range guns.  I suggest you take a look at the specs of the big black powder cartridge rifles and see how much they weighed.

Gunbroker usually has 45-120s with snazy steel crescent buttplates, some are gorgeous.  But they're eather to light or the buttplate cut the last owner to peices and he ends up selling it for a pittance.  At least you can sit down and put a box of shells through the Wesson, not gonna happen with that Borchardt.  If you got a Ferrari you should be able to drive it, some of those rifles would be a unpleasant to shoot.  Thats likely the reason why its listed in "like new condition".

Not blaming anyone, I like the Wesson! frankly I think theres other guns on that site that are alot worse then that Wesson.  In embellishment, form and function.

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That "mistake rifle" term is a good one. See a lot of Shiloh Sharps that way.  I guess the well heeled guy who watched Quigley ordered it.

I almost made a mistake with my first CPA 20 years ago. Paul Shuttleworth steered me gently to the right choice.

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That is one heck of a nice Borchardt.  If I could afford it, I couldn't shoot it, er, if I could afford it I could afford to have the barrel changed. What a waste.

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"The prettiest Wesson Mid-Range that I ever saw was a 40-70. It was silver plated and fully engraved. It came from Wesson’s shop so everything was top notch.
I have to agree it looks pretty shiny now but once the nickel softens it will look better."

May I ask where you say this engraved 40-70 ??  Was it a Wesson or Maynard 1882 chamber and barrel specs??  Do you remember the S/N??

  
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Here is the best #1 Mid Range I've seen, mine of course.  Wink

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boats wrote on Feb 12th, 2014 at 4:31pm:
Well to each it's own, Personally If I had a Wesson I would want original caliber.  Like you I prefer the 30/40 over the 30/30 in that case High Wall Winchester would be appropriate. Never made any sense to me to chamber old rifles in new calibers when original calibers are adequate.

Searching around for information on the Earle Wesson, I came across this thread a few years late. Still, I have to add my two cents to the above comment.

I'm one of those whose "own" is the opposite way. I think it admirable to chamber an older design in a newer type of cartridge. I greatly prefer smokeless and jacketed bullets, and I think it a fine honor to the designers of those older single shots to bring their work right into the 21st century. I think the .30-30 was an excellent choice for the rifle in question. Fill it up with high BC spitzers and enjoy the great reduction in wind drift!
  

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Reply #37 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 6:50pm
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I couldn't disagree more. There are millions of smokeless guns out there. Why would anyone want to ruin a beautiful original by making it into just another smokeless caliber? That's pure sacrilege. The real beauty is in bringing these old masterpieces back and shooting them with black powder in their original caliber.
  
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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #38 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:07pm
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Steve Earls actions are not originals but newly manufactured and I agree to them being used anyway one see's fit. I would like to see it being used for one's personal pleasure or for putting meat on the table for the family rather than one using a modern bolt action rifle with a sythetic stock. It's more sporting to give the game being hunted a fair opportunity to live rather than taking away that fair advantage. It's also more persoanly satisfying to know you only have one shot and possibly not any more.

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Reply #39 - Jul 14th, 2017 at 7:07pm
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Were it an original Wesson, Fogman, I might concede the point, but this is a modern production. It's a fine design, worthy of joining the times.
  

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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #40 - Jul 15th, 2017 at 8:37am
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Rare to see a link between money and taste.  It's all dolled up with all sorts of frill to lure the buyer with cash to burn.

My eye would go to a well done reproduction of Original.

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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #41 - Jul 24th, 2017 at 10:58pm
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I saw an original Frank Wesson No 1 Long Range target rifle with both tang sights in immaculate condition at the Colorado Gun Collectors Show in Denver in 2016. It was truly magnificent. If anyone wanted to do a reproduction of a Wesson rifle that's the one to go for.
  
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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #42 - Jul 25th, 2017 at 11:02pm
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the Earle/Wesson Long-Range Rifle that Steve Durren & Friends put together some years back as one of the earlier ASSRA "Raffle-rifles" was  one of the finest, most elegant, (my opinion of course) modern single shots produced  It had the regular tang sight setup but also a separate base on the heel of the stock for the back-position used in long range shooting.  It was the cover feature on one of the ASSRA Journals
  

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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #43 - Jul 26th, 2017 at 2:58am
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Just an aside, when Hallowell was in Greenwich Connecticut, he was located across from the Ferrari dealer, (maybe it was Lambo or Maserati) and called himself Maurice.(not Morris)
He had some great items in that shop. I bought an outstanding alligator take-down case.
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Re: Frank Wesson No.1 Mid-Range on Hallowell website
Reply #44 - Aug 21st, 2017 at 11:08am
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There are lots of examples of good nickel plating to be found. Check out the
plated areas of old wood stoves. Restoring one includes finding a plater doing
it the old way.

If one wants modern durability go to nitriding. I wonder if there is a nitride surface treatment that might emulate a french grey.

An Earle that was fully CC might be very attractive but not so authentic. Darned
can't win them all. Wink

or ... cast in manganese bronze for appropriate cartridges.
  
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