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Apr 6th, 2014 at 7:18am
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   This will demonstrate the high end caliper that the venerable Ruger Number One action is up for.  A   very nice Big Game Rifle chambered in 600 JDJ (Nitro) ;

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This conjures up an intresting project for this enthusiast, since my Ruger S.S. is at the opposite end of the scale at .25 Cal and i do see a possible   re-barrel  project in my future.

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Reply #1 - Apr 6th, 2014 at 8:33am
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I have always loved the BIG bores.  If you want, I'll bring my .458WM R#1 to a match sometime with full bore loads for you to play with.  (At the end of the match - as one's steadiness of hold tends to suffer for a period of time after shooting it.)  We HAVE used it on prairie dogs too.  Smiley

By the bye, H&R makes a 20ga fully rifled barrel - groove diameter is 0.625".  Doesn't take much to make a slug mould to fit.  (AND 1/2" copper tubing is 0.625" O.D. !) 

Hmm.  Have to dust mine off and work up some loads. 

5/8ths bore? 

  

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Reply #2 - Apr 6th, 2014 at 9:31am
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   Hi there Tim :

    I really enjoy shooting my Ruger No. 1 in .25 Cal.downloaded for paper target work with cast bullets.  Your Big Bore No. 1 would be something i'd  like to experience in the future if we can arrange it.

If I should go bigger on mine, I would select one of the British "dangerous game" cartridges after a little research on the specs.

Was wondering if you are going to the Sasquatch Festival this year over Memorial Day long weekend ?  We could split the gas and tolls 50/50.   Best we buy our own beer to satisfy our individual taste . .  .  .

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Reply #3 - Apr 6th, 2014 at 3:29pm
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Hmmmmm.  Tempting.

On the way is where we prairie dog hunt (near Martin, SD) and my brother lives near Portland, OR.

Time to load up some 458WM and 375H&H for the upcoming experience.  (I have #1's in those and .405Win.)

Perhaps Thurmont?



  

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Web,

Cats 405  No 1 is spoken for

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  My interests are in keeping my action which has been fully upgraded with hammer, main spring, trigger, etc. and re-barrel it to .425 Wesley Richard and I'll darken the wood to get rid of the American "look".

The No. 1 is more British, than it is American.

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boats wrote on Apr 6th, 2014 at 5:21pm:
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Cats 405  No 1 is spoken for

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Thanks, but NONE of the #1's or #3's are for sale.
(Guns are meant to be bought.  <-- note the PERIOD)

The offer was to be able to play with something that killed on one end and maimed on the other.

  

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Reply #7 - Apr 6th, 2014 at 7:40pm
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Additions --- Lots of good info here.

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There IS a thrill to having a classic big-bore double!  My cheap work-a-round to own one is owning a Churchill Windsor II Double in 10ga.  I had pair of matched cylinder bore chokes made.  Next step is to make my own 2-1/2 OZ slug mould.
Smiley  Smiley  Smiley

Not quite Scheutzen, but several of my other #1's and #3's certainly are.

  

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Reply #9 - Apr 6th, 2014 at 9:54pm
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I've never been a recoil fanatic, and dread guns that have lots of recoil. Had a #1 in .458 WM, and hated the recoil. Traded it on another gun shortly after, and never missed it.
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 7th, 2014 at 8:36am
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  Cylindrical re-coil dampeners inserted into the stock through bolt hole are known to mitigate lots of recoil forces, particularly the ones that contain liquid Mercury, if you can find them in today's market.

I've know folks who have made such devices to fit their stock, rather than to alter their stock to accept an "off the shelf" product.

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Reply #11 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 1:39am
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I just had built a 585 Hubel Express on a Ruger No1 since was unable to get a FBW action ,havent fired it, yet but im only going to duplicate 577 NE velocities ,i think the 585 is one of the best New design big bore rounds and has alot of advantages to it for big bore enthusiasts ,unlike the countless other new Ruger ,winchester,Dakota ,etc rounds that dont really achieve anything new [imo]
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 3:02am
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Many aficionados of the #1 have experienced what I call the real beast in the factory lineup: the humble 1-S in 45-70. Mine weighs 5.2 lbs. Modern pressure and 500gr bullets are too painful for words. My lead sled has racked up some decent groups with it, though. (It won't share its secrets on wind doping, which I consider rude.)
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 7:16am
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  Thank you Richard for your suggestions,  which were much appreciated.

   I am not committed to a specific cartridge just yet and have more reading to do, and more discussion to listen to .

   I have a 45-70 Gov't. screw on barrel for a CPA M-44 1/2 and for this shooter, one is ample.

   I really have great admiration for what the British have done in the past two centuries with their gun designs and African cartridges. 

   The Ruger No. 1 action has it's roots and heritage in Britain and I would like to complete  that parentage by giving my rifle a truly British round to digest.

    I have family and some contacts in the U.K. for assistance, but will have the barrel contoured and cut rifled here in the U.S.  If the need arises, we can have a chamber reamer made here, once a chamber drawing is sent over from England.  My hope is to get the chamber spec for someone on one of the other forums or from Dakota Arms, etc.

I have posted a letter to Holland & Holland and I'll wait to see what becomes of that.

I would welcome any suggestions and / or experiences you gentlemen may possess and wish to share RE: British single shot rifles in the realm of big bore and African cartridges.

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Reply #14 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 8:07am
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I love my #1S in 45/70. It's one of my favorite single shots. I had a #3 in 45/70 before the #1 and the #1 is a much better handling rifle. I wish I had kept the #3 to make into a schuetzen rifle. 
  
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Creedmoormatch,
If I may suggest, if you are interested in African big game rifles, etc, there is an excellent book called African Dangerous Game Cartridges. Written by Pierre van der Walt. ISBN 978-0-620-48339-1. It is certainly not all inclusive in regards to all the available cartridges, but I have spent many hours reading and re-reading it for info concerning cartridges when I was working on designing one myself.

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Reply #16 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 5:10pm
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   Thanks Jessee :

   One central authoritative source would be helpful.  So far I've gathered a little bit here and a little bit there.  Getting bits and pieces as I find time to search.

This morning, I read a good bit about the .375 H & H which was actually introduced in 1912 and used Cordite.  Apparently, when the Cordite rounds got to the African continent, the heat of the climate boasted the psi as it reacted to the Cordite, thus greater velocity.

I found much information on the .375 H & H, all of it quite positive.   Wink

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Reply #17 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:21pm
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Thing that’s critical game shooting is hit the target. I took a relative up to our HP range to "sight in" his 7mm Rem Magnum. He's got a trophy room full of heads taken with it.  All guided hunts.

Took some IDPA pistol cardboard silhouette targets turned them sideways, look sort of like a Deer, dun color cardboard with indistinct aiming point, heart and head are perforations on the cardboard  you have to figure out where they are from the shape, just like a real animals vitals, not marked on the hair.  Staked them out on the range various unmarked distances from 35 to 400 yards. Asked him to shoot the close ones standing, mid range sitting, OK to go prone for the long ones. He hit very few targets at all. Let him shoot my 7mm08 with 140 gr bullets at modest velocity  3x9 scope set on 3 power and he hit quite a few.  I will admit it runs out of gas on game at about 275 yards. However that’s better than missing with the 7mag.

I worked in Africa on and off nearly 10 years, never shot anything but looked at all the game with binoculars or spotting scopes many times. I am pretty sure if hunting Africa I would want something I could hit with, not the most powerful rifle.  375 or one of the 40 calibers at most. Ideal would be two rifles 7mm or 270 and a big 40. If only one gun the 375. Single shot that reloads fast would be fine if backed up with another gun on the dangerous critters. Pair of Ruger # 1's would be about perfect.

Advice from someone who never shot an African Animal

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Reply #18 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 11:55am
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Creedmoor, I've owned a number of No. 1s over the years in .375, .405, .450-400, .416 Rigby (great cast bullet cartridge), .458 WinMag and .458 Lott. I never shot any of them a great deal, owing in part to the stock design and recoil characteristics. I shot the Rigby the most, using the RCBS gas-checked bullets over about 50 grains of XMP5744 at about 2,000 fps. Easy on the shoulder and nicely accurate.
That said, on my one and only trip to Africa, I took a CZ bolt gun in 9,3X62 to Namibia and I and my brother used it on kudu, gemsbok and mountain zebra. It's a fine cartridge, dating to 1905 with just a hair's more energy than the .35 Whelen. I agree with Boats' comments. Our PH said he is always happier to see a client arrive with something he can shoot well instead of a "classic" big bore that he is afraid of.
Still, if I ever build another No. 1, it would be as "Farky" as possible, with 28-inch barrel, express iron sights and in .461 Gibbs.
  
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Creedmoor, I've owned a number of No. 1s over the years. . . . .
Still, if I ever build another No. 1, it would be as "Farky" as possible, with 28-inch barrel, express iron sights and in .461 Gibbs.


Excellently put Bill, my sentiments exactly.  With the proper reference photographs, I am up for what ever it takes to put my No.1 into a near perfect Farky look-a-like.

It (the No1) has been a mild mannered .25 people pleaser for too long and I'm sick of it. I can't wait to put a rasp to that stock and bring it into conformity.   Wink

I have many "before" record photos and will be sure to take "in process" photos and "completed" photos as well.

The barrel maker has been commissioned, he's just waiting for the interior specs from me.  Right now, it is just a round steel bar.

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There you go, CMM! I would even consider adding Selous plates ...

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Boats,
I have been to africa and shot some plains game.  I used a browning/fn safari grade .300 win mag.  w/ barnes bullets.  One shot kills on everything (and I am not the best shot).

My wife used a .270 win (remington 700)w/ barnes.  She also made one shot kills, even on her zebra.

In S. Africa in the bushveld, the shots are generally close (they want you to score).  Bullet placement and bullet construction are the most important.  Heavier the better.

The PH loaner rifle was a .338 win mag, loaded down a bit and loaded with heavy for caliber premium bullets.

Most of our shots were within 50 - 70 yards; however, my Kudu was about 180 yards. This was unusual.  The 180 grain barnes when through both shoulders and lodged under the skin on the other side.

I have bought a .375 for my return.  If I can afford it, will hunt buffalo, if not, I want to use it on an Eland. It is a large mag mauser (CZ) and I put a recoil reducer in it.  It now balances better and is not un-pleasant to shot.

I know this is a bit off topic, but I thought I would respond to your comment.

Jerry

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PPS My ruger no 1 does not kick much at all…. it is a .22 hornet. Grin
  
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Also… nothing wrong with a number 1 for africa… just I wouldn't want to use it on dangerous game.

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I totally agree with your comments, Jerry.  The Professional Hunters there indicated to me that African game is tougher than our North American animals and placement of the bullet is of utmost importance and should be placed a little higher than we would place the bullet on our game.  Last time I used a common Remington 700 in .30-06 with a 180 grainer and it did the job just fine. Shot 6 animals with 7 shots.  The only reason I had to use an extra was because a durn wildebeest decided to get up and try running away.  Going again this coming August and I'm gonna take my Winchester 1895 in .405WCF just for old time sake, otherwise, I'd take my Ruger #1 in .375 H&H.  Anyone interested in a good outfitter, go to:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); It's family operated and I recommend them highly.
  
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  What is the basis for your justification and recommendation, other than it is a family owned/operated enterprise?

  Family owned enterprises would encompass the Capone businesses, headed up by grandpa "Al".
  
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I hunted African plains game with a Ruger No.1 in 7X57. I shot a Blue Wildebeest, Gemsbok, Impala, and Warthog.
I really doubt that African animal are any tougher than any other animals of the same size.
  
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Insofar as recommending African Game Hunters highly, my experience with them is mostly what I can relate.  Having been there, I can say everything in their website is accurate.  They are very adaptive, cooperative, agreeable and easy to get along with.  Excellent food and accommodations.  The food is served by the Mother and wife of the owner.  They meet you at the airport in Johannesburg.  I've heard horror stories of an outfitter not showing up after the client has paid his money.  The client is stranded and pissed, of course.  They will follow up and make sure you receive your trophies.  I've heard horror stories of clients that never got their trophies or rec'd the wrong animals.  They are good business people, of course, so was Al Capone, though a different venue.  To top it off, African Game Hunters work closely with the NRA in our area.  I don't know about the rest of the country but I'm sure our Regional NRA Rep would gladly talk with you.  They have land concessions in their neighborhood and up into Zimbabwe and can furnish you a hunting experience for nearly every type of African animal.  Most of their clients come out of Europe and have never shot a big game rifle let alone own one.  The Professional Hunters are very patient.  The PH's know the politics of Africa, especially game management.  Insofar as African game being tougher, that is what the PH's told me and I think they know a helluva lot more about their business than I do.  As Jerry above mentions, shot placement is the key.  Wasn't it Karamojo Bell that took several hundred elephants with 7-Mauser?  As I mentioned, African Game Hunters are very cooperative.  If you want to go shopping in Pretoria and visit a game preserve, they'll arrange it.  The best thing is for you to go and live the experience yourself.
  
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  Thank you RCRB....  That was a very comprehensive follow up on your part and is greatly appreciated.  You covered most of the areas that are important to me in such a relationship, i.e., trustworthy, reliability, professionalism, honesty, dependability, etc.

  I don't want to take up any more of your time, which I value.  I was hoping that you had said something about the wine at dinner, and about the Land Rover.  They did have a Land Rover .  .  .  .  .and it was Loden Green, correct ?

You are a gentleman and a scholar !

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Did you cut off the stock to get the weight down to 5.2 pounds?   The factory gun weighs more like 8 pounds. Even a No 3 will weigh 7.5 pounds.
  
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   Hi Vol 717 --

    Would you care to elaborate some on your suggestion of 5.2 pounds (U.S.) as an objective weight for a "carry around" big game rifle ?

Thanks much.

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Vol717 - I weighed my 1S just now. It is nearly 8 lb with 3X scope and sling, so it must have been 6 or 7 when I weighed it several decades ago, rather than 5. I will blame poor long term memory. I bought it new the same month that the 1S became available in 45-70 ... whenever that was. As I am the original owner, I  know that it has never been modified. Perhaps a #1 expert can tell us whether the hole for the stock bolt was larger in the early ones. I doubt it, because that would leave rather thin wood on either side. I think that a more likely explanation is that the density of the wood varies from rifle to rifle and this may be an extreme example.

By the way: thanks for prompting me to pull it out of the safe. I now have a perfect excuse for checking on the local hog problem in the morning.
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Hello Gents
                  i fired my Ruger N01 585 Hubel Express last weekend ,first from the lead sled, to check the velocity of the loads which averaged around 2100 fps with 750 gr soft point ,recoil was no where near as bad as i thought, considering its a big round ! my 500 A Square which weighs 10 pound is worse ,[a faster sharper recoil ],hopefully later in the year i can give you the results on water buffalo
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  Two Guns --- The 585 H. E. and No. 1 Ruger should equal a winning team against the champion Water Buff.

  Do let us know how everything went when you get back.   

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Reply #34 - May 4th, 2014 at 5:48pm
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I've shot lots of 485gr GC at 2100 or so - about the same as the factory .458WM factory 500's.

750 grain?  Shazam!

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Reply #35 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:14am
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Hello Gents, i got back from my buffalo hunt a few weeks back , nearly didnt go, because i was so sick from the flu [which didnt do wonders for my memory or shooting],anyway i did bag two buffalo with the 585 Hubel Express with 750 gr projectiles at 2000 fps [not nearly as bad to shoot as you might think]even though its burning 150gr each time you pull the trigger ,there is a photo on[Accurate reloading under 585 Hubel express posts by Ed ] ''Big Bores,'' of one buffalo i shot .Anyway both shots were at about 50 yards and frontal shots with Bertram 750 gr softpoints ,[yes, Bruce make bullets as well as brass and he told me over the phone ''yeaaaaaaaaaah ther're good enough for buffalo''] the first buffalo turned to run about 20 yards, then just collapsed like King Kong hit him .The next day, shot another buffalo at the same range facing me, but at a slight angle ,bullet went through his shoulder and exited near the pelvis about 4 feet of penetration which impressed us all, again ,he turned ran ,fell, struggled a bit then died ,so i was really impressed with the rifle and its performance compared to a 458 Lott and a 378 i also used on other buffalo ,so even after just two animals shows a big single shot rifle can still poleaxe big animals ,if i get to do it again i would only take the 585 and would not feel handicapped at all have a single shot rifle ,im really happy with the rifle ,calibre and its performance and real buffalo medicine compared to the other guns i used
  
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Re: Ruger No.1 BIG Game Rifle
Reply #36 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 7:29am
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Good morning Two-Guns

Welcome back home and glad to hear about your recent hunt for the big boy Cape Buffalo.  So you "harvested" two such creatures in two consecutive days, back to back.  That has to be a high light to all the preparation, travel time, etc., etc.

So you are reporting that the .585 Hubel Express has earned its stripes and makes the Cape Buffalo a sure thing, in your case a sure thing X 2.  I hope one of your "carry boys" had a camera and knew to stand still in the face of the charging bull in order to take the pictures.  Just kidding about the "charging raging" bull, but maybe not?  If he ceased to be up on all fours, then a photo of him (them) in the prone position will be just as convincing of the beasts massive size.

When you get all unpacked and back to normal-see lets us hear about the out-fitter and more about the highlights from the camp.

I assume your physician knew you were traveling and gave you some pointer on the Ebola virus and what to avoid?

Congratulations to you and the 585 H.E. !

My regards,

Creedmoormatch
  
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Re: Ruger No.1 BIG Game Rifle
Reply #37 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:21pm
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Creedmorematch ,it was actually Water Buffalo in Australia which is alot cheaper to hunt than Cape Buffalo, and iam told by those that have hunted both ,can be harder to kill ,but not as aggressive as the Cape buffalo .
Cape buffalo are a bit outside my budget ,then there are the airfares and all the other ''hidden costs '' they slug you with,which all adds up to the price of a new car ,too dear .
  
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