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Dating Stevens Model 44
Jun 8th, 2014 at 7:41am
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I have a Model 44, half round barrel, "J Stevens A&T Co.... Apr.17.94", serial number 46XXX.  Any ideas when this was made?  I  understand a lot of Stevens records are gone.  Is there a reliable source for date of manufacture info?
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #1 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 9:53am
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All of the factory records were burned by Westinghouse right after WW1, to avoid having them become evidence a Congressional inquiry. 

By my own survey, which I've only just started, a 46xxx  s/n would put it somewhere in the mid to late '20s.  I think.  Manufacture of the plain Model 44 ended in about 1932, (according to Frank deHaas).   The highest s/n I've seen on a .25-20, (so far) is 52xxx.   

It's possible to date some Model 44s a little closer, when they are in the 1894 to 1903 area, due to feature changes which can be correlated to dated catalogs.  Catalogs are the only signposts we have, unless somebody has an original sales receipt with date, or some other such document.

It's also pretty certain that anything in a caliber bigger than .32-20 is pre-1903. In that year they started with the Model 44 1/2, and dropped the 44 action for everything but .22LR, .25 Stevens, .32 Long RF, .25-20, .32-20, and maybe .25-21 on special order.

It seems to me that there were no obvious feature changes in run-of-the-bog Model 44s after 1903, but I haven't looked very hard at the post-WW1 (i.e. Savage ownership) period.

Model 414, which used the 44 action, was 1912 to 1932.   The Model 417, which was .22LR only and had a plain round barrel and other features, started in 1933, when the 414 was discontinued, and ran until 1947.   I have read that serial numbers of those get into the 60xxx range.  Never seen one to verify, though. 

I'm open to correction on any statement I've made, so fire away.....

Phil W.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #2 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 12:19pm
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Phil, FWIW, the serial of my 414 is 78xxx.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 3:17pm
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Thanks, I'll add that to the database.  Unless Stevens did some numbershuffling, that pushes  Rick's  back to early 20's. Maybe.

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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #4 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 8:27pm
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The 417 was available in .22 short on special order. Also in .22 Hornet for a brief time. The 417 1/2 was in addition available in .25 Stevens and .22 WRF. I have a 417 1/2 in .22 Hornet. The 418 and the  418 1/2 was available in the same chambering's as the 417 and 417 1/2 with the exception of the .22 Hornet. I have a 418 1/2 in .22 Short and .25 Stevens. I have never seen a 417 1/2 in .22 Short, .25 Stevens, or .22 WRF. I am still looking for these. Dating the Stevens is pretty much impossible to pin down any closer than some year ranges as stated earlier. Makes it interesting and sometimes frustrating. The source of my information is the 1933 Stevens catalog and my personal collection.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #5 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 8:33pm
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I have been doing the same o serial numbers.  From my records the 78xxx number should be a Savage marked rifle.

You can also list the 25-25 as made in the 6 o'clock
extractor guns. I have serial number 3033x.

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Reply #6 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 11:00pm
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There's yet another column for the matrix.  Knowing the earliest s/n that has the Savage marking might tell us about dates.
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 11:18pm
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Just added this one to the survey.   

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Go take a look, but cover your keyboard first, to keep the drool off it.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 8th, 2014 at 11:48pm
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uscra112 wrote on Jun 8th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
Just added this one to the survey.   

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Go take a look, but cover your keyboard first, to keep the drool off it.

Anyone else see what appears to be dovetail adapters mounted into the barrel dovetails that the scope rings are then dovetailed into?

  

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Reply #9 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:07am
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Yes, that's the way those scopes were mounted from the factory.   Note that there is no dovetail where the ordinary rear sight would have been.  They specifically say in one of my catalogs that the normal dovetail will be omitted when the scope is specified.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:07am
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Here is another one that I found today...I thought it was the same rifle for a minute...... Shocked I'd like to have this one too!
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #11 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:39am
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Det, mine has no sign of Savage markings on it, just Stevens on the action and J. Stevens Arms Co. on the barrel.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #12 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:44am
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As I understand it, the Savage mark was just a small oval with the letters svg inside it.  On the side of the frame. 

That said, none of my post WW1 44s have it.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:51am
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uscra112 wrote on Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:07am:
Yes, that's the way those scopes were mounted from the factory.   Note that there is no dovetail where the ordinary rear sight would have been.  They specifically say in one of my catalogs that the normal dovetail will be omitted when the scope is specified.    

I have seen the dovetail cut into the barrel just in front of the receiver for the rear ring itself to dovetail into, but hadn't encountered the rear barrel dovetail purposely cut larger than the dovetail size already existing on the rear ring itself. Seems strange to remove more metal than necessary, which then requires an adapter to "fill the gap", so to speak. From what I've encountered, for the front dovetail, the dovetail cut on the front ring was cut sized to fit directly into the existing large Steven's size front dovetail.
Always something new to see.

  

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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #14 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:53am
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Is it me or does the checkering look too coarse for factory checkering? I have a 44 in .25-25, 6 o'clock extractor, serial #361XX if this helps any. Also have a 414, #784XX and one #672XX. My 417 1/2 .22 Hornet is #1XX. 417-1 .22 #4XX, 417 1/2 #3XX, 417 1/2 .22 #24XX, 418 1/2 .25 Stevens #G4XX, 418 .22 Long Rifle #H9XX, 418 1/2 .22 Short #21  H1X. No idea what the letter prefix means and the on the last one the 21 is done with a different stamp than the H1X and the 21 is in front of the front tang screw and the H1X is behind it and that stamping is similar to the other two. The 21 is definitely from a different stamp and much more distinct. I haven't got a clue on these unless they are assembly #s like they used on the Favorites. I have more if needed but would prefer to pass any additional serial # info by PM.
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