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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #15 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 1:10am
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I thought so too - that the checkering doesn't look right.  But I'm less than expert on that subject. 

According to one source, they made so many Favorites that the s/n would have been too long, so they started using a new letter periodically.    418's are supposedly on the Favorite frame. 

So, 417's started a new number sequence, it would seem, but 414's continued as from the beginning.   Since we know (I think) that the 414 ceased production in 1932, that puts an upper bound on that s/n sequence.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #16 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 1:45am
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Just looked at my 1933 Catalog reprint and the 414 is not there which confirms your statement. The 418 is on a Favorite frame but slightly larger. The barrel is not threaded into the action like the 44 but just a slip fit. They are accurate in spite of this. I am thinking they used the Favorite numbering system. Running out of numbers may or may not be what happened. Would have to check my collection but don't recall seeing any 4 or 5 digit numbers, usually a letter and 3 numbers.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #17 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 10:15am
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The checkering on that 44 is not only too coarse, but very amateur. Nothing that poorly checkered would have ever gone out the door at Stevens. It may well be Stevens wood that someone added checkering to at some later date. A lot of Stevens single shots were sans checkering, so maybe someone wanted it added to make it "special".
  

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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #18 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:05pm
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Just to add to the Stevens 44 action information:

My Stevens Model 47 Range rifle is a 28-30 with a central extractor.  SN is about 20200.  That puts the date of manufacture in the 1900-1903 period.  This rifle has the dovetail near the receiver.  Before I got the rifle (1967), someone put a folding buckhorn into that slot.  Now that I have learned something new (a common occurrence on this Forum), I have to put a long scope on the rifle.  More $$$.

Another 47 is the 25-20 Stevens that I described in the thread about the .25 Hornet.  This has a #3 barrel with a .251 groove diameter and a 17" twist.  That is a rimfire barrel installed on a 44 centerfire action (by Stevens), the SN on the barrel matches the SN on the tang and the 25-20 caliber stamp is definitely Stevens.  SN is about 23000.  My thoughts about this rifle is that this is what you got if you did not buy a Stevens-Pope. My guess as to year is about 1905.

A Plain Jane Model 44 in .25-20 Stevens has a SN about 48000.  I have always thought this was a post-WW1 rifle, maybe from the 1920s.  The wood is of a much lower quality than either of my 47s.

No checkering on any of these rifles.

Slumlord44, is the 44 centerfire rifle listed in your 1933 catalog?
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #19 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 12:50pm
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Phil W.

Thanks for the reply.  I thought that a barrel branded as mine would come from a gun prior to the sale to Savage in 1920.  The only marks on the receiver is the serial number on the bottom tang. No oval with svg anywhere I can see.

BTW, the barrel has been sleeved.  I assume that is not factory original, and diminishes its value.
  
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Reply #20 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 1:01pm
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I have two 44's left. One is a DST 44/45, 6 o'clock extractor #18,040 that was originally a 32/40, trigger block action (soon to be a 22rf). The other is my very first SS, a beautiful original 32/40, trigger block with a 7 o'clock extractor, #3 barrel, #10,551.

What is the feeling that the 107 model serial numbers continued on into the 44 numbers?

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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #21 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 4:58pm
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frnkeore wrote on Jun 9th, 2014 at 1:01pm:
What is the feeling that the 107 model serial numbers continued on into the 44 numbers?

Frank


Grant  thought so.  He wrote that that the New Ideal 107/08/09 series started at about 2000, and the Model 44 at 3000.   I'm assuming that too until something upsets that applecart.
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #22 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 5:17pm
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A little summary so far:
Highest number on my list with side extractor is 16260 - Gunbroker  415163717
Lowest number seen to date with centre extractor is 18040 - a model 45 DST owned by frankeore

Grant wrote that  the center extractor started in 1901.

Highest number seen with screw pivots is 14542  - was on Gunbroker.
Lowest number seen with two-piece bolts is 15329 - was on Gunbroker.
In the 1903 catalog they tout the new design, so it must have been implemented between the 1900 catalog publication and 1903. 

According to catalogs, no centerfire Model 44 actions after 1903, except .25-20 and .32-20     Also from 1903 on the Models 45, 47, and up were on the 44 1/2 action, so any such on a 44 action must be 1903 or earlier. 

Highest 44 action in a large centerfire caliber is 25423 - GunBroker 407393445 - a .32-40

Highest centerfire action to date is 52341, a .25-20, Gunbroker  410040824
Highest centerfire caliber barrel is 61674, .25 caliber in my collection.
Highest Model 44 rimfire to date is 90039 - Gunbroker # 421669982         

1929 catalog does not mention [i]any[/i] centerfire calibers for the Model 44, only .22/.25/.32 rimfires.

All Model 44 style actions discontinued in 1932.  Except model 417 which seems to have a new s/n series.
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #23 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 6:09pm
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Lowest number found to date with centre extractor is 20200


My 44/45 DST is 18,040 with the 6 o'clock, center extractor. It may have been, orginally ordered for a teen boy or a woman, as it had the #2 Schuetzen butt plate and a #2 barrel.

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Reply #24 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 6:25pm
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Thanks Frank.   I've updated the summary post
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #25 - Jun 9th, 2014 at 9:59pm
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There is a 414 currently on Gunbroker #90039. Two of them listed. They have been re listed a time or two.
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 7:23am
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Wow!   I had not even thought to search for 414s.  And that one pushes the upper bound way, way up.  Got all four from GB into the database as of 7:30 this AM. 
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #27 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 10:02am
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It is time to add my ideas.
1) Grant was right all swinging block Stevens large frames are in one serial number run.
what my notes show is as follows
Side plate actions low serial 41 high 1257
100 actions         low 2023   high 2629
44 w/ one piece bolt and 7 o'clock extractor
low 3267  high 14842
44 w/ two piece bolt and 7 o'clock extractor
low 15329 high 16269
44 w/ two piece bolt and 6 o'clock extractor
low 17108 high 62644
44 w trade mark stamped reciever and change to case colors low 71245 high

My thinking is that the trade marked reciever and change in case color was the start of the Savage production.

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Reply #28 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 12:07pm
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All that needs to be added then is lowest number with a coil spring. Somewhere in the low 60s?
  
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #29 - Jun 10th, 2014 at 1:20pm
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number 62644 is a coil spring.

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