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Reply #75 - Jul 17th, 2019 at 2:25pm
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Reply #76 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 1:07am
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Trying to reconcile J. Stevens Arms Company rollstamps on a Walnut Hill 22lr and a 44 1/2 Special Scheutzen (like) 22lr  with serial numbers 1806 and 6709 respectively. Both with full round bbls. Did Westinghouse start the series numbering over post war?
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Reply #77 - Sep 5th, 2019 at 2:32am
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It appears that with the advent of the 44-based Model 417 in 1932, Stevens started a new serial  number sequence.  This was, quite obviously,  well after the end of WW1.   Models 44 and 414 stayed with the original Model 44 sequence which began at about 3000 in 1896, and ends up in the 90,xxx range. The last 44/414s were made in 1933, according to Phil Sharpe. 

Model 44 1/2 rifles had their own sequence as well, chronologically beginning in 1903 and extending to 1915 or thereabouts.
  
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Reply #78 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:12am
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Hi Phil, here are 2 more for your list;
#8193, .32rf, 7 o'clock ext., 28" barrel, flats flush to receiver, Swiss butt
#48438, 25/20ss, plain vanilla 44 w/26" barrel
both have the A&T roll stamp.
  
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Reply #79 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 2:10pm
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Some photos of 8193 would be of interest.  Pull the forearm and read the numbers stamped there?  The 28" barrel was optional in that period, and seems unusual for a .32 Rimfire.  It will have the screw breechblock and lever pivots. The shank diameter of those would also be of interest.  The number falls in a transition zone; earlier the screws were about .258" diameter, later increased to .288" diameter.  This specimen will help narrow down the range.

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Reply #80 - Sep 7th, 2019 at 1:38pm
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Hi Phil,
No luck with the pictures of #8193, I am not having any luck reducing the size.
Under the barrel is stamped a "2". I have always assumed that to be the barrel weight marking on Stevens but my other 44 has a much smaller barrel and also has the "2". Front of the receiver has a "0" and a "44" which makes me think the swiss buttplate is not original to the gun. So I pulled it off and sure enough, it is stamped with a 22,000 something number.
You are right, most 32rf 44's have a 24" barrel. This one with it's weight and length is a real crowbar.
The screws are the smaller ones.
Hoping this info is of some use,
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Reply #81 - Sep 7th, 2019 at 4:35pm
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Thanks!  That pretty much answers the questions.  It's a bitza.  (Bitza this and bitza that.) I'm more guilty than most of creating rifles like that from wrecks and evilBay parts. 

Still very interested to know the actual shank diameters of the lever and BB pivot screws.  It would help narrow down when the transition from .258" to .288" occurred.

  
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Reply #82 - Sep 7th, 2019 at 6:10pm
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The screws miked .254"
  
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Reply #83 - Sep 7th, 2019 at 7:26pm
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Thanks, Dennis!  #8193 pushes the lower bound for that transition up by quite a lot, from #6939.  Closing in on the upper bound, which is #9225, the lowest number that I have positively identified as having the .288" screws.
  
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Reply #84 - Sep 7th, 2019 at 7:34pm
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BTW some years ago I downloaded the freeware version of a software call IRFANVIEW.   It does an amazing amount of useful stuff - editing, cropping, markup, converting from one file format to another, and reducing the file size for internet posting. 

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Reply #85 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 11:15am
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Thanks for the serial number feedback, Phil. It is hard to get a grasp on the ranges. It might be interesting for someone to attempt a side by side graph of different model serial number ranges like yours. I wonder if there is a "War gap"?
  
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Reply #86 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 1:59pm
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There almost certainly is a "war gap", but I haven't yet found any evidence to place it with any precision in the serial number sequence.  There's the stamping on the side that is believed to have appeared after the Savage takeover in 1920, when it's also believed by some that the "A&T" was dropped from the barrel rollstamp.  But then we find many examples with Savage-era receiver markings but with the older "A&T" barrel stamp.  Were they just using up pre-War stock?  Who knows?

Model 414 began in 1912, according the Sharpe, and the lowest s/n I have logged is 61189.  Then the diamond stamp on the left of the receiver appears at 69603, so that at least in theory brackets the War, but only very approximately.  The time frame is eight years, if sources are to be believed.

FWIW the very highest s/n I have logged is a 414, number 90248.  Again referring to Sharpe, 1932 was the end of the 414 line.  After 1932 all the 44-framed models were dubbed 417 and 418, and had their own serial number sequence.  I have not been logging those. 

One might reasonably infer that Stevens produced about 70,000 guns prior to 1920, and 20,000 from 1920 to 1932.  But trying to guess how many had been made up to 1916 is next to impossible. 

Data!  I need date-able data!
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Re: Dating Stevens Model 44
Reply #87 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 9:45am
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I'm not sure if you're still collecting Model 44 Data.  I recently won an auction for a Mod. 44, number 2983x in 25-20 SS.  It has the barrel sight and what looks like the original front Beech type sight and a Lyman tang sight. Let me know if you need any additional info.
  

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Reply #88 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 9:54am
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Yes, I'm still logging data.  With a Beach front sight, you might have a Model 45, although more likely the Beach was ordered an an option on a 44.  Any sign that there was ever a tang sight mounted?  A Beach front is usually found with a tang rear.
  
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