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Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:12pm
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My luck just keeps getting better Smiley

I went to the Roseburg, Oregon,  Douglas County Gun Show today and look what I brought back.

The name stamped on the tang is C. Pingry. The letters are only 3/32" high and I always have trouble with close up pictures!

Does anyone have any info on this gun maker. He is from CA but, spent his last years in Brookings, OR. The seller said he died a few years ago.

Could this be the guy that made sights somewhere near the CA coast, between LA and SF?

It is a well finished, scaled up HW, the frame width is 1.3 next to the mortice. The mortice is 1.0 wide and the receiver ring is 1.33 long with a 1x16 thread. Serial # 0005.

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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 6:34pm
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Looks like a large frame Clerke.  Maybe he used a Clerke action and worked from it?

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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2014 at 8:51pm
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Dave, I believe that your right.

Most things check out with my Clerke.

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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 11:57am
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Frank:

Nice action.
Now a nice rust blued RKS octagon barrel would make her look really pretty.

Have you checked to see if the stock has a through bolt?

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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 5:57pm
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Frank, That's Chuck Pingry, he always had a table at the Pomona show. I don't think Chuck made the action, he more than likely started with a frame & most of the parts. I know when Barry Darr closed shop in California Chuck bought a lot of his castings. I have a Darr re decapper that I bought from Chuck, but it's stamped C. PINGRY. He was a pretty nice guy & did some nice gunsmithing, but I don't think he made that action. He probably bought some parts from Bo after Bo stopped making Clerke Highwalls. But definately a good find, enjoy       MIKE
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 6:10pm
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Chuck and his wife lived in Bodfish Ca. Near lake Isabella.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2014 at 10:04pm
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Thank you, Mike and Tom. Great Inf to know.

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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 10:12am
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Nice find! Glad to see some interesting things still can be found at gun shows!
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 12:03pm
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Frank-
In the late 1970's Bo Clerke approached me with the offer to purchase and manufacture his Highwall action.  He had about 30 or so sets of investment castings, some in various stages of completion, along with the jigs and fixtures. Many of the castings, as I recall, had blow holes and pits and varied some what as the wax investments may have slumped. At the time I was with SAECO Reloading and we decided that we did not have the manufacturing space to take on the manufacture of the Clerke Highwall.

I believe the double set triggers in your action were probably made by Chuck Pingry since when the actions were offered to me no castings for a double set trigger tang and parts or double set trigger lever were among the parts or drawings as I recall. Chuck was a very capable gunsmith and in my opinion most likely made the double set triggers. I don't know if Bo offered the action to Chuck other than as a set of castings. As I recall Chuck also made repro tang sights for BPCR.
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Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 2:39pm
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Barry,
Thank you very much.
My very first target rifle (1985) was a 15 twist, Douglas barreled, Clerke. I won many matches with it, over the years.

I shot with Bo at Brea that year and won the December BR match. I wish I could have know Bo better but, he wasn't the most social able to newbie's and didn't offer any info on my rifle. I wish, now that I would have asked him about it. I bought it from Ken Lewis but, Ken doesn't remember the rifle, all these years later.

Do you know if they where serial numbered when the first were received by Bo or would Chuck have numbered his, seperately? The stamps look the same on both of my rifles, accept the they look like they were hit harder on my first one. Regarding the DST, it looks like he extended it by welding two levers, rather than adding a piece. I can make out only one area that looks like it might have been welded. I'll have to pull the triggers and see what the insides look like.

I would love to know how many were ever built. If anyone else out there has a Clerke HW, would you please contact me, even if you had one and remember the serial number?

Thanks again, Barry.

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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 3:26pm
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Bo was a crusty old sort till you got to know him, which wasn't always easy for some folks, he was a heck-of-a offhand shooter. I shot with him many times at Jess Smiley's matches at Gem Ranch in San Bernadino, Ca.

The raw actions that I saw at the time were not serial numbered as I recall, I have no idea how many actions/rifles Bo may have built over the years. I never barreled one of his actions, they always struck me as kinda crude compared to the original Win High wall, fit and finish wasn't too good.

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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2014 at 7:47pm
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Here is a picture of my original Winchester, flat spring HW and the Pingry/Clerke. I do prefer the crescent wrist area of the Winchester, it holds the stock much better and helps with keeping cracks from forming.

As finished by Chuck, they don't look to bad. Internally they are real close copy of the Winchester.

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Reply #12 - Sep 22nd, 2014 at 12:47am
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I traded with Chuck at a show, I had a Ruger Commorative the one that came in the mahogany case & traded it to Chuck for 4 or 5 half finfshed rifles, one of them was a Clerke hi wall with DST. No blue,unpolished, wood needed final sanding & finishing but boy did it shoot. Anyway I believe Chuck told me the DST were Thompson-Center.         ...MIKE...
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 22nd, 2014 at 2:54pm
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Thanks again, Mike. I'll have to check that out and also see exactly how he made it work.

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Reply #14 - Sep 25th, 2014 at 9:54pm
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I'm happy to report the Chuch Pingry is alive and well. I just got off the phone with him. Very nice guy and fun to talk to.

Yes, Mike, you remembered the DST well, he did use TC triggers.

Thank you all, especially Farrel.

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Reply #15 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 8:54pm
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I was ask to take pictures of the way the trigger plate was modified for the T/C DST. Here you go, I'll be happy to answer any questions regarding it.

To start with, you can see that the sear was lengthen and a piece added to the bottom to reach the trigger release bar. The burry picture shows the rear axial pins location to the frame, that distance is .300.

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Thanks that explains a lot about what he did with springs.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 8th, 2015 at 8:39pm
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Frank I have two Clerke High Walls. One has a DST like yours.
  

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Reply #19 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 1:00am
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RJS,
Thank you for posting. Are your serial # close together and if you could post or Pm me the highest #?

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Reply #20 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 10:19pm
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Frank one is stamped behind the trigger J1144 and the other with the DST, 2318 behind the hammer.
  

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Reply #21 - Mar 10th, 2015 at 10:53pm
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That is a very large number difference between yours and mine at 005 & 0019.

Are yours marked like this?

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Reply #22 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 2:41pm
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The raw Clerke action castings are not serialed
  
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Reply #23 - Mar 11th, 2015 at 10:31pm
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Frank maybe we are not comparing apples to apples. The action is not stamped , but has a Clerke barrel and the action is bolted to the buttstock. Serial # is hand stamped. I was told that Bo also cast some schuetzen butt plates which one gun has .
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Reply #24 - Mar 12th, 2015 at 12:35am
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Seems to me that I had read or been told somewhere that Bo had a couple of different companies that made Hiwall replicas.  Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

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Reply #25 - Mar 14th, 2015 at 8:31am
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Here's a pic of another one just sold at auction
  

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My DST, first time trying to post a photo. Hope it works.
  

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Your Picture is very small but, it looks like a dead ringer of mine, at least the stock does, for sure.

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Three more photos larger size.
  

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Royce,
That's a very nice action and stock. All it needs is a barrel on it. How long have you had it and do you have any plans for it?

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Thanks Frank I have had it for a while. I thought that it would make a good bench gun.  Would you have any suggestions on the perfect gun barrel?(32-40,38-55)   Royce
  

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Reply #32 - Mar 16th, 2015 at 9:48pm
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Royce,
These actions are among the very strongest and will take anything you mount to them.

I'm going to put a 33 cal Pac-Nor barrel on mine and chamber for the same ELCO 33 (MAX case) that my Borchardt has.

If you look at the post by SchuetzenDave, you'll see that all but four 1240+ scores are by the Miller Short and a 30 cal on the Max case and all but three barrels are RKS. They are higher pressure cartridges and the Clerke will handle them with ease.

If your looking for that kind of accuracy, get a 32 RKS and chamber in the Miller short.

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Thanks Frank looks like the Miller 32 short goes to the top of my list.
  

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Reply #34 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 8:48pm
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Hello,

I have a Clerke high wall that has a strange "color case" finish. The serial number is 2258 in rather large fine numbers that look engraved rather than stamped but I could be wrong, the serial number is on the lower part of the receiver just ahead of the lever pivot. This action has an upper and lower tang, I do not know if there is a stock bolt or just the tangs. My Clerke has a single, non adjustable trigger. It is in 225 Winchester and has a J. Unertl 10X target scope mounted on it.

The barrel is marked "FLAIG'S" in a script font above a block letter "225 WIN". The stock is very well done, it appears to be an English Walnut with very nice checkering and an inletted, checkered metal butt plate and grip cap.

Hope this helps,

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Marco's,
I missed your reply, until now. Thank you very much for your rifle picture and spec's.

A new thread developed on Clerkes and I'm adding that link to this thread:

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Reply #36 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 10:24am
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A nice aspect of the old high wall design (as Winchester manufactured it) is that the trigger tang is easily changed.  Several folks, including the late Treeblood, figured out ways to adapt existing DSTs to the original or a fresh-made trigger tang to produce a good working DST on a plain sporter action.  Using a TC set as a starting point sounds like a good idea to me.

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Yes, that is true.

Over simplifying it, all you need to do it is:

1. A machined blank, to fit the internal cuts in the frame for the trigger plate.

2. A long tailed sear.

3. A set of DST triggers, out of most any muzzle loader.

4. And the most important! A little ingenuity, time and patients!

If someone would make a trigger plate casting, with a particular DST mechanism, in mind, it might only take that, a long tailed sear and a drill press to do it Smiley

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Reply #38 - Apr 15th, 2019 at 12:55pm
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hi, back at you.  I have some extra DST 1885 parts if some one wants to try it!
  
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Rodney,
Do you have a DST lever, too?

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Just in my full sets. I will have some from the foundry in 5 weeks looks like.
  
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What styles will there be?

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I have been doing the coil spring actions mostly I have made a one piece trigger for it, like Browning's 1887 shotgun trigger that works well and eliminates two pieces . worked good in my rifle smithing classes. also have the DST pistol grip set with the Spur lever. also will be doing a few flat spring sets , Pope levers and Scroll levers. also have molds for the Winchester palm rests both types and buttplates , Laudensack, Swiss and checked shotgun and sporting,short and long tangs etc.
  
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this is what I have now Winchester action wise.
  
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