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Reply #105 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 11:29am
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Vall, I appreciate your replies.  Maybe someone else will jump in. 

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Reply #106 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 1:44pm
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George - per the invoice you posted - Deluxe Sporting Rifle.  In the Blue Book of Values, MSR was $2195 and current values for Deluxe Sporting Rifles are
100% - $2250
98% - $2000
95% - $1650
90% - $1275
80% - $995
70% - $876
60% - $725

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Reply #107 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 2:42pm
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Thanks John.  I would think with the LS 0001 serial # and the date it was built compared to the date Dave started his business would have some bearing on the value.  Also, the Kyler front sight and Zika Soule sight are not found everyday. 

I wish I could buy some guns at Blue Book value.   Cheesy
  

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Reply #108 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 3:37pm
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Agree George the Blue Book value is pretty much a give away price and at times not even respective to a rifles real value to an end user and or collector unfortunately. The term Custom Deluxe  Sporting rifle really has very little meaning in most instances and it could just refer to an off the shelf factory made import rifle with a few minor per-say upgrades.

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Reply #109 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 5:48pm
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I wish I could buy some guns at Blue Book value.
No, you wish you could sell them at Blue Book values! Grin
And what I found inteesting in the new 8th Edition - other than the Stevens Favorite - NADA on the other SS models Angry
  

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Reply #110 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 7:09pm
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Heck, I just wish the Bluebook of gun values even covered Marlin Ballard rifles!!! And to make matters even worse, they did the Bluebook of Antique Gun Values and again left Ballard rifles out of that book!
Not sure what the people at Bluebooks have against trying to evaluate them, but they continue to not do so.
  

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Reply #111 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:25pm
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Vall - my version of the Antique Values has Ballards listed but again no Stevens Tip Ups or Wurffleins.  About the only value source for Wurffleins is the auction houses
  

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Reply #112 - Feb 15th, 2018 at 9:05pm
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Getting ignored in the price evaluation (gun value) books isn't new. My 1955 issue of Chapel doesn't show any Winchesters except the military model of the 1895. Beyond that Winchester isn't mentioned except incidentally because of patents etc.
No highwall, or even model of 1866 is shown.
Ballard gets only a little more, mostly the Civil War and shortly after guns being mentioned. But, that Kentucky State made the list showing a value range of $24-$36, for an increase over the others of exactly one simolian. Now, that's the price range I can  afford a Ballard at! Smiley
  

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Reply #113 - Feb 16th, 2018 at 11:19am
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John Boy wrote on Feb 15th, 2018 at 8:25pm:
Vall - my version of the Antique Values has Ballards listed but again no Stevens Tip Ups or Wurffleins. 


Which Ballards? Not Marlin Ballards. At least when I picked one up to buy they didn't. I contacted them to ask why the Marlin Ballard was omitted from the Bluebook, and now also in the Antique Bluebook, and they replied back that they didn't have anyone who could price them.
So I'm unsure how your copy covers the Marlin Ballard models if they told me why they left them out? Unless your copy of "Antique Values" is a Flayderman's, and he always covered them well!

PS-Go to their web site where you can do values searches and click on "antiques". Then enter "Marlin" and "Ballard" as the model. It comes up "no results" there too!

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Reply #114 - Feb 18th, 2018 at 1:20pm
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Ser 184  32-40
  

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Reply #115 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 4:17pm
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Dave Higgenbotham lived in Italy with Dave Pedersoli and was the principal designer of the Pedersoli Rolling Block rifle. That rifle was intentionally designed so the parts were not interchangeable with original Remingtons. The two had a falling out shortly after the rolling block designs were completed and Dave H. had returned to the US.  Dave H. would not go into detail but ceased to have any business relationship with Pedersoli.  Dave H. built more than one rifle on an Italian action. I have had barrels in my shop that are marked Lone Star Rifle and threaded for the Italian receiver.  Pedersoli asked Dave H to design double set triggers for the Italian rifle which he declined to do. Pedersoli acquired Lone Star Rifle's set triggers elsewhere and adapted their design from there.        more to come...
  
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Reply #116 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 4:43pm
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Daves choice of barrels for his Lone Star Rifles was Badger while Badger was still manufacturing BPC barrels. That being said Lone Star Rifles were built using Green Mountain, Douglas, and others.  I have or have had Lone Star rifle barrels from all the above and some that I can  not be certain of the maker.   Dave worked from castings building one rifle at a time so to speak. He had molds made by different sources. The best of those are made by and currently located at T/C. The castings from the T/C molds are slightly oversize and machine to original Remington specifications with a minimum of work compared to some other castings out there.    There are other molds at his shop made from silicone such as the internals for the #2 sporting rifle which are not so high a quality. Dave was very disappointed in the quality of the castings he received from those molds.  For his sporting model rifle Dave chose the #1 1/2 hammer and breech block design.  It was simply his personal preference. The trigger guard casting is that of the #1 sporting and works quite well for a custom build.
Dave also did a lot of restoration work, rebarreling etc. The original sporting rifle he restored for me is not Lone Star Rifle marked and the original serial number was retained.
  
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Reply #117 - May 17th, 2018 at 4:32pm
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I recently picked up the remnants of the Lone Star Rifle Company shop.  Among the items there was the ATF log for all the rifles that Dave Higgenbotham made during his proprietorship of Lone Star Rifle. The original book was submitted to BATF after his death so I was only able to obtain a copy.  I spoke with Katha about other provenance for the Lone Star Rifle Co. She agreed to make photographs and other items available if someone wanted to document the Lone Star Rifle Company and Dave's work.
  
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Reply #118 - May 18th, 2018 at 11:10pm
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Kenn - Much Thanks for Your Posts.  Reading your posts about Dave living in Italy and his relationship with Pedersoli, I have always surmised that my Lone Star was built on an early Pedersoli action design due to the early serial - his barrel stamp with single punches and brass that I've never seen on a Lone Star

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Reply #119 - May 18th, 2018 at 11:20pm
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John B are your screws Metric? If coming from Ped. one would think they surely would be and it would help to verify what you have stated.

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