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Re: Lone Star Rolling Block Serial Numbers
Reply #45 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:09pm
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“I recently spent several months in Italy designing firearms for Pedersoli Mfg. Co.”
                                                               
“This included an in-line muzzleloader based on the rolling block action.”

Perhaps someone knows just what type of firearms Mr. Higgenbotham designed for Pedersoli, other than the in-line muzzleloader based on the rolling block action, which is the only one mentioned in the catalogue posted. Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington. Perhaps someone also knows when he was in Italy designing firearms for Pedersoli.

  
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Reply #46 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15pm
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Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington.
Go back to nineteen76's Lone Star 1999 calendar post and read the wording at the bottom ...
We Use No Imported Actions

but I have to agree, the Lone Star RB actions are IMO a 100% Pedersoli look-a-like
  

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Reply #47 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:24pm
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John Boy wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
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Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington.
Go back to nineteen76's Lone Star 1999 calendar post and read the wording at the bottom ...
We Use No Imported Actions

but I have to agree, the Lone Star RB actions are IMO a 100% Pedersoli look-a-like


In the example of Dave's catalog it says that his guns are "with addition of American made actions, now 100% American made". Were they at some point earlier made partially from Italian parts?
  

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Reply #48 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:32pm
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OK, so we know that by 1999 he was no longer using imported actions. We know that he did at one time use imported actions by what he said in his catalog where he pointed out "NOW 100% American made" (caps added for emphasis). Found another message that said by 2002 he was using Storie castings but it didn't say when he started or when Storie started making rolling block action castings. Navy Arms was importing large action Pedersoli rolling blocks beginning in 1971 and small action ones in 1968 (Navy Arms history).
  
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Reply #49 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:09pm
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It was my understanding that the customer could supply an action to Lone Star to build a rifle on or modify first before doing so.

You could get those Italian actions throughout the 1980's from Navy Arms, either by themselves, barreled, or in a kit to be made into a rifle.

Besides the brass trigger guard, one characteristic of the one action I looked at was that there was a gap between the hammer and the breechblock such that the breech could almost be opened with the hammer on half-cock.

I don't know whether this was some gunsmith's modification (the rifle was an unmarked .50-70) or whether that was the way the Italians made it.
  
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Reply #50 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 5:03pm
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Dave told me he used Thompson Center for his casting.   He made the moulds or had moulds made I don't know. We were talking about me  supplying screws for a #2 and #7 he was working on. Dave told me he had the moulds for the waxes done and had some test casting done and machined and had 2 or 3 rifles made one for himself and one for someone else. But   was on the fence  about into production as the price was going to be about the same as his 1#s.  Ken
  
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Reply #51 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am
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Maybe this will resolve the discussion whether Dave used foreign parts for his Lone Star rifles - then stopped at a point in time:

Action and Trigger Guard, Serial 0044
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Pedersoli Action and Trigger Guard: Picture in BPC News, Summer 2016, pg 24
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The actions-brass trigger guards and triggers are look-a-likes!
The difference with the one in BPC News is the face of the receiver is vertical and the 0044 is canted forward

For final support, to determine if the Lone Star actions are Pedersoil: drop the forearm determine if there is a witness mark on the lower face of the action
In the definitive BPC News article by Kenny Durham - note the following words:
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The action and the barrel are then checked with a machinist's square, after which the barrel and frame are set in a special device that places witness marks on both pieces for registration during the final assembly after the bluing and color casehardening

Since Dave used non Pedersoli barrels and if the Lone Star action is a Pedersoli, there will be a witness mark on the lower front of the action
Lone Star 0044 has this witness mark!
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Reply #52 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:57am
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John Boy wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am:
The actions-brass trigger guards and triggers are look-a-likes!
The difference with the one in BPC News is the face of the receiver is vertical and the 0044 is canted forward



Could you elaborate or explain what you mean by "canted forward"? I don't know what you're referring to, or mean about the face of the receiver?
  

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Reply #53 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 3:42pm
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Vall: Looking an the photos closer again, I don't believe there is any difference between the 2 actions in their shape
Canted forward - angled
Face of the receiver - front of the receiver
  

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Reply #54 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 10:46am
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Serial #190.  Built about 2000-2001.  40-50 Sharps Straight.  30" Douglas bbl. (original owner told me they used a Douglas because Badger had a years wait time).  Nicely engraved.  Overall, one of my favorite rifles!
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Reply #55 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:01am
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#190  more pics
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Reply #56 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:26am
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I also have one of the Custer Lone Star's.   Dave said "You can have any serial number you want except #GAC1. That one's mine."  I said, "Any one?" He said, "Yep".  I said, "Serial number GAC 1876."  Dave said, "Dang, I wish I'd thought of that!"

I'll post a pic when I have time.
  

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Reply #57 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:31am
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Percival did your rifle come from Ca. it looks similar to the one a good friend AC Gould on this site had built and then sold to another friend here. If it is indeed the same rifle it was an an extremly good shooting rifle and a very beautiful one at that.

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Reply #58 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:37am
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Yes sir, it's the same rifle.
  
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Reply #59 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:55am
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Thank you sir and not being a big fan of the Rolling Blocks this one is trully an exception and the pictures don't do it real justice. It is an absoulutly beautful work of craftmanship at its finest and it shoots good to boot as I have witnessed on several occasions and congratulations on being the new owner.

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