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May 18th, 2016 at 1:29pm
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With the demise of Dave Higginbotham and Lone Star Rolling Blocks is an unknown number of rifles Dave made.  If you own one or did ... would you be so kind to post the rifle's serial number and year made to be added to the list ... Thanks Kindly
001 - GeorgeC - 1993 ... see post of invoice
LS001 - 993 - Mike Johnson - no serial number (50-90)
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0044 - John Boy - ? Date, XXXX serial instead of XXX (45-70)
100 - Armslist Listing - ? Date
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105 - nineteen76 - ? Date
114 - Ray Newman - 1995
116 - Mike Venturino - 1997
132 - Mike Venturino - TBD
158 - Mike Venturino - 1998
190 - percival - 2001 -2002
191 - nineteen76 - ? Date
216 - lonestar40 - 40-65, 1-2-2001
22137 - Al Merkler's DOB - 2003
GAC 1876 - John in PA - ? Date
232 - SSShooter - ? Date
SN 5-238 - nineteen76 - ?Date
248 - Richard - ? Date
275 - Kenny - ?Date - On  Amoskeg
290 - Dave Roelle - 3-28-03, 40-65 engraved
291 - TexasMac -  Friends - ? Date
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326 - Steve62 - ? 2004 or 2005
378 - nineteen76 - ? Date
384 - nineteen76 - ? Date, 45/70
384 - nineteen76 - ? Date, 50/70
oneatatime ... rebuild on 7mm action - no serial ... 2007
? serial number ...Gun Auction .... - 2007 auction
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370 - nineteen 76 - ? Date
387 - Mike Herth - 2008
401 - Mike Herth - 2009
408 - COBPTR -  2008 or 2009 
420 - Gun Broker - ? Date
429 - mickrb -  ? Date
995 - Singleshotsam - Custer - ? Date
Last Lone Star - Carey - 2011  -  Serial to be Dave's birth & death dates

Total production is guessed to be no more than 500 rifles and probably less than 500

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Reply #1 - May 19th, 2016 at 2:51pm
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Where did Dave stamp his serial number?  It is my understanding the some of the rifles Dave built used original Remington civilian and military actions.

There were two Lone Stars listed on GB a couple of weeks ago. One was in .30-40 Krag and the other IIRC was a .38-50.
  

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This 50-70 that he built for me used my 7mm military carbine action.
  
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Beautiful roller.  I have one he built in 1993 and will be posting information and a photo in the next couple of days.
  

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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2016 at 8:13pm
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Where did Dave stamp his serial number?

George, look on the bottom tang.  That is where my serial number is.

Oneatatime ... did Dave put a serial number on you action?  Also, what year did Higginbotham do the conversion for you?
  

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I will look.  Also, some more info. sent via PM to you.

  

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Reply #6 - May 21st, 2016 at 2:08pm
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Here is a photo of my Lone Star that was taken by Rooster.  It was one of many photos that he sent me when I was doing a buy on this rifle from him.
I have the original invoice from Dave Higginbotham to the original buyer that the rifle was built for, but I could not find a serial number which was supposedly #001. No serial number was listed on the invoice.  I looked on the lower tang, under the soule sight on the upper tang, took the fore end off and no serialnumber.  On the top barrel flat (in scroll) was Lone Star Rifle Co.  In front of the fore end was 45 2.4 also in scroll. That was all the lettering and/or numbers I have found. The lower tang is not longer than the upper tang as on military rolling blocks.  The invoice listed the rifle as a "Deluxe Sporting rifle", 32" half octagon/half round barrel, "Zika Soule grip" sight.  Front sight listed on invoice is #492 Kyler front sight.  Invoice is dated 5/28/93. 
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Posted a photo of the serial number that Mike Brooks sent me.  The serial number (LS 0001) and is on the side of the upper tang. 

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I know a friend here in town that has one of Dave's in .45-70 with the tough and ready site on it.  Nice looking rifle.  Probably, somewhere in 2011?? he got it from him.
  
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Mine was delivered to me late in 2007 and has no markings added by Dave except the 50 under the barrel in front of the foreend and the Lone Star logo on the buttplate.
  
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I know a friend here in town that has one of Dave's in .45-70 with the tough and ready site on it
Major, would you ask your friend what the serial number is?  Thanks
  

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Check this out ... 2013
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Ken I have the last Lone Star that was made, it was the one that Dave had chucked in his mill the day he was shot and died. I made a trade with Dave and he was building this custom rifle in payment. Katha sent me the gun still needing some finish work which I am doing now and will serial number it to Dave when done. Sad when we loose a person with his ability, he built very nice rifles.
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John Boy, Have you or anyone asked Katha Higginbotham if there is a list of rifles produced and who sold to?
  
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Katha Higginbotham ran an ad in the Winter issue of Black Powder Cartridge journal listing some of Dave's personal guns for sell.
  

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John Boy, Have you or anyone asked Katha Higginbotham if there is a list of rifles produced and who sold to?
Tom, this was discussed on the Shiloh forum but no contact information to her was established

With her email address is the BPCR news - it's a can do
Katha47@suddenlink.net

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Added another photo to my reply.  It shows the serial
# LS 0001 on the side of the upper tang. 
  

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And here's the paper supporting the 1st Lone Star
  

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And here's information on the last Lone Star Rifle that Dave Higginbotham made:

Hello John, yes mine was Dave's last gun but was never serial numbered when I received it from Katha. I told Katha that when I finished it I would serial number it to Dave's life, birth year and death year, she thought that would be great. The gun was together and shootable, just lacking the final finishing when I sold it before my move to Oregon. A friend has it and was finishing the gun, it will be nice since he I very good gun smith and engraver. If you are interested I can give you his name and number, you may can buy it from him. Also if you are interested I have several other single shot rifles for sale since my interest have moved in other directions. Give me a call if you want to. Carey
  

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Reply #17 - May 22nd, 2016 at 7:59pm
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John Boy,

Your post has been very interesting. You put a tremendous amount of effort in your research.  I hope more Lone Star owners will post information and photos of their Lone Star rifles.  Do I see a book in the future? 

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Not from me George.  Maybe TexasMac?  Hello Wayne?
It would have to have many pictures.  If Dave took a picture of each rifle for his files and his wife has them - Perfect
  

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For those that don't subscribed to BPC News, Dave's personal rifles his wife has up for sale ...
  

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Have a Lone Star roller in 38-50 that I'll likely sell this summer. Very nice rifle, but my safe is getting over-crowded and my 38-50 Hepburn is finally finished (picked it up from DZ Arms yesterday). For what its worth, Lone Star made an excellent rifle. Tragic about Dave's untimely end. Think the 38-50 is turning out to be about as perfect an all-around cartridge as there is. As accurate a Schuetzen round as any and still able to be competitive in all of the BP disciplines out to 600yd.
  

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I have a Lone Star Custer Model 50-70 SN 995. I had talked with Dave about the rifle right before he passed but did not ask when it was made. It has the round topped receiver with a heavy octagon barrel and single set trigger. Combination front sight and Rough and Ready rear.

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Sam - pretty Rolling Block with good looking CC.  Serial number is interesting - outside the range for those identified thus far.  Updated the list
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Thought a few of you would enjoy an old catalog of Lonestar's.
  
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Any chance of seeing the content or getting a copy of it?
  

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Just found this post ,so will add my Lone Stars to the list.
I have 7 of them.
Going by the 1st picture from top to bottom:
1) Target rifle, 45/70, SN 370
2) Double trigger Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 191
3) Sporting Model, 50/70, SN 384
4) Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 384
(Not a typo, same serial numbers, don't ask me how,
I already asked and ATF says "okay in different calibers"
5) Special Sporting Model, 45/50REM, SN 378
6) #5 Sporter, 30/40KRAG, SN 5-238
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Last one, #7 is a Gemmer Model built from one of Dave's early rifles. This one started life as a Sporting Model 45/70 and was Built to a Gemmer by Richard McKinney of Schuetzen Gun Company Drake, Colorado.
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nineteen76 ... thanks for sharing.  A superlative gorgeous collection of Dave's rifles
  

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What a fantastic collection of Lone Star Rollers nineteen76! Wow!
  

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of more of the catalog
  
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another page of Dave Catalog
  
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and the page of the catalog about Custer's letter to Remington.
  
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Then he sent a few photos of rifles he made or could make your's like with a photo of himself holding one of his nice rifles.
  
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Price sheet for extras that could be included on your rifle.
  
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Mine, 0044, the Silhouette model (12# 7oz) has a #4 Badger 34 1/4” barrel (1:16 twist) stamped LONE STAR (8# 7oz trigger pull) but it is unique with the brass plate and trigger guard – no pistol grip and cheek piece butt stock
Per Blue Book of Values, Dave established business in 1992. Made ~ 12 different models, different calibers.  No mention of any brass trigger guard or Silhouette model with no pistol grip from 1999 to 2006

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To all the Gentlemen that posted your Lone Star's - invoices - pictures and catalogs to this thread - I Sincerely Thank You.  I never envisioned we would have so many of Dave's rifles and supporting documentation identified in one thread.  Absolutely, not a complete listing but without a doubt, the most informative composite listing known to date.
Bear with me I have not individually listed all the rifles in the first post yet.  My intent is to do this.

I would like to continue the thread, because there are many questions about Dave's rifles that are unknown.  Maybe we can fill in the blanks:
* Barrel sources - known to be Green Mountain & Badger
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* Butt Plates - subcontracted from who or did he make them?
* Checkering - subcontracted or did he do his own?

And my mystery is - why does my 0044 have a brass trigger guard and who did Dave obtain it from.  It is an anomaly compared to all his other rifles he made!  And why the original owner put a cheap Italian vernier on the rifle  with 4mm tapped base screws and a Lyman 17A foresight... is beyond me  Cry
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Reply #38 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 11:29pm
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Lone Star #114, 45-70, 32" Badger barrel, no pistol grip. Purchased approx. 1995.
  

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0044 with the brass trigger guard looks like it might be a Italian made rolling block.

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0044 with the brass trigger guard looks like it might be a Italian made rolling block.

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So you think that Dave acquired an Italian made rolling block and stamped his Lone Star logo and serial number on a rifle he did not make?  Am I misunderstanding your  post?
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John and Vall,
Thanks for the comments on my Lone Stars.
Dave surely had a talent for building these copies.
Every bit on par with the fit and finish of a Shiloh Sharps.
Here are a couple shots from two calendar/catalogs I have. 1999 and 2009.
I like the one with Dave and a Friend at what I assume is Custer's Last Stand.
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nineteen76, thanks for sharing the Lone Star calendars.  Very interesting  and entertaining.
  

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have been an admirer of Remington Rolling Block Sporting and Target Rifles. I have also admired Whitney Rolling Block Sporting and Target Rifles, as well as those from the Scandinavian countries, and I would suggest there are some stylistic differences amongst them, such as in the contours of the frame, breech block and hammer spur, trigger guard , and trigger.

Having an interest in the rolling block sporters, I came across Dave at a gun show in Denver about 30 years ago where he had a table set up I was able to admire several rolling block rifles he made and I was quite taken with the quality of workmanship. All had the contours of those made by Remington as do the rolling blocks pictured in this thread, other than #0044.

It would appear that Dave probably made the frame of #0044 from scratch. I was just saying style of #0044 looks like the Pedersoli rolling blocks. We have the answer thanks to majorfs45’s  posting of a page from one of Dave’s catalogues in Reply #31. I made my post before I read through the catalogue pages posted by majorfs45.

I have posted some photos of Pedersoli Rollers which it turns out were designed by Mr. Higgenbotham.








  
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That catalog in message 31 does say "with the introduction of our new American made actions... our Lone Star rifles are now 100% American made" which implies that before this they were not. So #44 may have Italian parts. Also the message that has his comments about being in Italy designing guns for Pedersoli mentions an inline muzzleloader based on the rolling block but not the Pedersoli rolling block itself (doesn't that go back to the early 60s with Navy Arms?).
  
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Reply #45 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:09pm
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“I recently spent several months in Italy designing firearms for Pedersoli Mfg. Co.”
                                                               
“This included an in-line muzzleloader based on the rolling block action.”

Perhaps someone knows just what type of firearms Mr. Higgenbotham designed for Pedersoli, other than the in-line muzzleloader based on the rolling block action, which is the only one mentioned in the catalogue posted. Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington. Perhaps someone also knows when he was in Italy designing firearms for Pedersoli.

  
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Reply #46 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15pm
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Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington.
Go back to nineteen76's Lone Star 1999 calendar post and read the wording at the bottom ...
We Use No Imported Actions

but I have to agree, the Lone Star RB actions are IMO a 100% Pedersoli look-a-like
  

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Reply #47 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:24pm
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John Boy wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
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Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington.
Go back to nineteen76's Lone Star 1999 calendar post and read the wording at the bottom ...
We Use No Imported Actions

but I have to agree, the Lone Star RB actions are IMO a 100% Pedersoli look-a-like


In the example of Dave's catalog it says that his guns are "with addition of American made actions, now 100% American made". Were they at some point earlier made partially from Italian parts?
  

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Reply #48 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:32pm
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OK, so we know that by 1999 he was no longer using imported actions. We know that he did at one time use imported actions by what he said in his catalog where he pointed out "NOW 100% American made" (caps added for emphasis). Found another message that said by 2002 he was using Storie castings but it didn't say when he started or when Storie started making rolling block action castings. Navy Arms was importing large action Pedersoli rolling blocks beginning in 1971 and small action ones in 1968 (Navy Arms history).
  
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Reply #49 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:09pm
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It was my understanding that the customer could supply an action to Lone Star to build a rifle on or modify first before doing so.

You could get those Italian actions throughout the 1980's from Navy Arms, either by themselves, barreled, or in a kit to be made into a rifle.

Besides the brass trigger guard, one characteristic of the one action I looked at was that there was a gap between the hammer and the breechblock such that the breech could almost be opened with the hammer on half-cock.

I don't know whether this was some gunsmith's modification (the rifle was an unmarked .50-70) or whether that was the way the Italians made it.
  
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Dave told me he used Thompson Center for his casting.   He made the moulds or had moulds made I don't know. We were talking about me  supplying screws for a #2 and #7 he was working on. Dave told me he had the moulds for the waxes done and had some test casting done and machined and had 2 or 3 rifles made one for himself and one for someone else. But   was on the fence  about into production as the price was going to be about the same as his 1#s.  Ken
  
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Reply #51 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am
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Maybe this will resolve the discussion whether Dave used foreign parts for his Lone Star rifles - then stopped at a point in time:

Action and Trigger Guard, Serial 0044
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The actions-brass trigger guards and triggers are look-a-likes!
The difference with the one in BPC News is the face of the receiver is vertical and the 0044 is canted forward

For final support, to determine if the Lone Star actions are Pedersoil: drop the forearm determine if there is a witness mark on the lower face of the action
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The action and the barrel are then checked with a machinist's square, after which the barrel and frame are set in a special device that places witness marks on both pieces for registration during the final assembly after the bluing and color casehardening

Since Dave used non Pedersoli barrels and if the Lone Star action is a Pedersoli, there will be a witness mark on the lower front of the action
Lone Star 0044 has this witness mark!
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Reply #52 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:57am
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John Boy wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am:
The actions-brass trigger guards and triggers are look-a-likes!
The difference with the one in BPC News is the face of the receiver is vertical and the 0044 is canted forward



Could you elaborate or explain what you mean by "canted forward"? I don't know what you're referring to, or mean about the face of the receiver?
  

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Reply #53 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 3:42pm
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Vall: Looking an the photos closer again, I don't believe there is any difference between the 2 actions in their shape
Canted forward - angled
Face of the receiver - front of the receiver
  

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Serial #190.  Built about 2000-2001.  40-50 Sharps Straight.  30" Douglas bbl. (original owner told me they used a Douglas because Badger had a years wait time).  Nicely engraved.  Overall, one of my favorite rifles!
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#190  more pics
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I also have one of the Custer Lone Star's.   Dave said "You can have any serial number you want except #GAC1. That one's mine."  I said, "Any one?" He said, "Yep".  I said, "Serial number GAC 1876."  Dave said, "Dang, I wish I'd thought of that!"

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Reply #57 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:31am
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Percival did your rifle come from Ca. it looks similar to the one a good friend AC Gould on this site had built and then sold to another friend here. If it is indeed the same rifle it was an an extremly good shooting rifle and a very beautiful one at that.

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Yes sir, it's the same rifle.
  
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Thank you sir and not being a big fan of the Rolling Blocks this one is trully an exception and the pictures don't do it real justice. It is an absoulutly beautful work of craftmanship at its finest and it shoots good to boot as I have witnessed on several occasions and congratulations on being the new owner.

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Reply #60 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 6:27pm
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There are some beautiful examples of Dave Higginbotham's work posted.  I hope more rifles keep showing up.  #190 is an outstanding example.
  

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Reply #61 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 7:37pm
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Wish Mr. Higginbotham had incorporated a traditional straight bar extractor with retaining screw version, instead of only the rotary extractor, which #1 sporting rifles never had.
  
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Reply #62 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:35pm
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nineteen76,

You sure have an outstanding collection of Lone Star rolling blocks.

I see there was one recently sold at auction on 4 June 2016:   

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Thank you Powderman.
No, I was not the bidder on that Rifle, though I believe the seller posted on Shiloh's forum that the rifle brought $1500.00 and after the Auction House took their share he wound up with $1200.00. I assume the $1725.00 included the buyers fee, which tells me the Auction House made a tidy $525.00 on just that one rifle.
Too bad, I would have gladly paid the buyer $1725.00 for the rifle and I know for a fact he could have gotten $2500.00 for that rifle elsewhere.
These Auction Houses are a rip-off for sure and for certain.
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Reply #64 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:26pm
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It was a good price for that rifle, even though it went through and auction house. To bad the seller did not post it on one of the single shot rifle forums though.
  
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Reply #65 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:48pm
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The list of Dave's rifles is growing, 31 so far ...
* 2 identified from a ad in the Single Shot Exchange.  Have one with serial and the seller will let me know about the other one.
* Made contact with the Columbus TX match director which is near Dave's home in Conroe TX.  He owns 2 and many of the club members own Dave's rifle.  He will survey the members for their serials & dates and let me know.
  

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Reply #66 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 9:48am
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Just my opinion, but I think the auction houses sometimes make a fatal error when grouping certain types of guns all into one auction. They flood the auction with a bunch of single shot rifles with hopes it will bring out a lot of buyers with single shot rifles as their main interest. That part works, and it's great for the buyers who have deep pockets. But by putting so many nice, similar guns in one auction, it dilutes the waters. Bidders have usually got a limited amount of funds to spend, so they wont bid on every gun, or they wont bid very high in order to ensure they spread their buying money over whatever they most desire. Consequently the resulting prices all tend to go lower than if the auction had less of the same type of gun.
I don't begrudge the auction houses making their share of the ending price. Sellers aren't forced to use them, and the fees are not hidden from sellers, so buyers knowingly consign with them. But I know several sellers who were surprised to see their guns sold at an auction that included a large collection of similar guns, and felt it hurt their particular gun(s) sales.
  

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Finally dug my 38-50 Lone Star RB out from the back of the safe and it is S/N #232. Had forgotten what a nice rifle Dave built. I'll get some measurements and pic's up in a day or two. So nice I could almost shoot it instead of my Hepburns. Dave certainly knew how to build a rifle.
  

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Be careful, you might talk yourself out of selling it this summer or are just baiting me.   Grin

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Both. Wink Grin
The barrel is 28" long, 1.04" at the muzzle and 1.12" at the receiver with my digital vernier and weighs 10#3oz without sights. Is d&t'd on what measures with my tape as a 7.20" center for scope blocks. Has a dovetail for a front sight. I don't know the barrel maker and the fellow I bought it from did not know what Dave put on for him. Pistol grip stock and schnabel forearm. I remember now that the reason I haven't bothered with it was I was going to have it checkered this fall. Here's a pic. I'll take a couple of full length pic's tomorrow when I have more time to 'tinker'. My 38-50 Hepburn weights 10#2oz with a 26" barrel. Couldn't be much closer.
  

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I'm beginning to drool.  Of course you have to remember it's a fairly high serial # compared to my #0001.Grin Cheesy
  

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Here are a couple of pic's. As you can see, I'm not too good at this photography stuff. The wood for the stock on the second pic looks nothing like the photo. But, I'm not going thru the hassle of shooting another pic unless a buyer needs a better one.
  

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Dave also built some gove style rolling blocks.
As i remember the first was built for katha. I do not remember the calibre .
He also built a 50-70 r.b. Pistol it was a blast to shoot.
Dave was also known for his love of muzzle loaders. He apparently built a lot of them years ago.
I know that he used many different barrels, badger, green mountain. He barreled a 45-70  win high wall for me with a gm barrel they had given him to test. It shot very well.
  
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Thank you for adding me to the group.
By way of introduction, I am a Firearms Engraver and used to do engraving for Dave Higginbotham at Lone Star Rifle before his untimely death.
  

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Mark, welcome.  I hope you have some interesting tales and valuable information that you might want to share.

John Boy, thanks for reviving the Lone Star thread.  Hope to see more Lone Stars turn up.

I'm on another forum where there are several Lone Star shooters. I've mentioned this LS thread, hoping to get some more interest stirred up.

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nineteen76 wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 3:38pm:
Just found this post ,so will add my Lone Stars to the list.
I have 7 of them.
Going by the 1st picture from top to bottom:
1) Target rifle, 45/70, SN 370
2) Double trigger Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 191
3) Sporting Model, 50/70, SN 384
4) Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 384
(Not a typo, same serial numbers, don't ask me how,
I already asked and ATF says "okay in different calibers"
5) Special Sporting Model, 45/50REM, SN 378
6) #5 Sporter, 30/40KRAG, SN 5-238
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I hope I don't see one like that top 45-70 Target rifle with the pistol grip for sale before I get healed.   That will be a sad day for me till then.   by that I mean Glenn has made me a little sad here with his 38-50RH.    I do love that cartridge!!   What is the twist in yours SSShooter?
  

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Reply #76 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 4:00pm
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George, Mark's post is on the Everything Rolling Block Facebook forum.  I just copied his post from there and put it on the ASSRA forum
  

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Add this one. LS Silhouette in 40-65 #216 shipped 1-2-01. 32" tapered octagon, 75% figured wood, pistol grip , double set triggers, pistol grip, 100% pattern #3 engraving on action extending 1.5" onto barrel. MVA long range with Soule, windage front sight.
  
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Thanks Lonestar ... your on the list:
191 - nineteen76 - ? Date
216 - lonestar40 - 40-65, 1-2-2001
22137 - Al Merkler's DOB - 2003
  

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SgtDog0311 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 3:41pm:
I hope I don't see one like that top 45-70 Target rifle with the pistol grip for sale before I get healed.   That will be a sad day for me till then.   by that I mean Glenn has made me a little sad here with his 38-50RH.    I do love that cartridge!!   What is the twist in yours SSShooter?

Well, John................ better late than never. Just noticed your question. Is a 15" twist, so not much use to me and I passed it along to shooter in PA that will hunt deer with it. Deer don't know the difference between a 325gr bullet and a 370gr bullet, but steel rams do. My new 38-50 has a gain-twist barrel that ends a 11.5", which should be close enough to 12".
  

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Thank you for adding me to the group.
By way of introduction, I am a Firearms Engraver and used to do engraving for Dave Higginbotham at Lone Star Rifle before his untimely death.

I am looking for the engraver that engraved my Axtell 1877 Sharps No 1 Creedmoor rifle. The seller thought it was William Gamradt but after contacting him with pictures he said he did not do the work.  I called Carmen Axtell and she couldn't remember, but gave me a couple of names; they did not do the work either. I contacted the FEGA historian but nobody will fess up to doing the work. So do you know anybody who was engraving Axtel rifles about the same time you were engraving these Lone Stars? It is beautiful old-time style engraving that makes the rifle look 140 yrs old.
Thank you - don't mean to hijack the thread. I am looking for a Rolling Block No 1 target or Creedmoor with half oct barrel, checkered pistol grip, and in 44-77 bn.
  
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Thanks John for adding me to the list

build year was 2003

engraved by JWA Mono

original owner John Williford

Listed as a Silhouette Rifle

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438 is a .30-40 which left his shop two months before his unfortunate death.

I had requested one of his psuedo No.5 (I don't believe he ever had the correct hammers and breech blocks), but as he was winding down towards retirement, the selection of bits became limited. I have the 30" barrel and equally narrow forend, but the action is a rebated octagon of the No.1 shape, because the round tops were no longer in stock. Marcot's book shows such actions with round barrels, so it's not too weird, and he and I were both pleased with the result.

With its super slender barrel, the gun weighs under 7 lb and is a delight to shoot. The long barrel gives it a nice hang, and the plain trigger is superb. The wood is quite ordinary but well fitted.

The gun as delivered has several screw ups, but he died before I could send it back, so one day I'll have to find another 'smith to make it all right.

He was good to work with. I wish he'd had a chance to enjoy a retirement.
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I'm here with a question. 
...I have a great rifle that I bought as a Lone Star, but it may not fit the mold. The action is a c-crown with 1875 on one side and a serial number on the other. half-way down the barrel is a very light "38-55". Wood, fit, and finish are high quality, but if there is any mark to indicate LS, I haven't found it.
Any hints, clues or suggestions? 

My"Lone Star" with the Navy my grandson wanted after he shot the "Lone Star" a few times.
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The Navy is an unmodified Navy.
No markings under the forearm of the "Lone Star".
Serial number 3295
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My Lone Star's serial number is on the left side of the top tang under the stock.

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Dave Higgenbothem marked all of his rifles - Lone Star on the barrel and the serial number on the receiver tang

Total production is guessed to be no more than 500 rifles and probably less than 500.  Accordingly, your serial number RB of 3295 is not a Lone Star riifle. 

If the rifle barrel has a proof mark, you will be able to determine who made the Italian rifle.  No proof mark or makers name - it's unknown
Hope you didn't pay a 'Lone Star' price for the rifle and if you did - might want to have a talk with the seller
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Thanks John.
I answered in haste, the serial number from memory was not correct. Pictures attached. Clearly, someone who did very good work took an old frame and upgraded it. For whatever reason only the 38-55 on the underside of the barrel was added.
I could buy a lot of rifles for what I paid, but probably not your Lone Star.
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Only one picture to a post? Based on reply #14, I might find some info if I remove the butt stock.

...and If I had seen George C.'s post I would have known that without rereading the whole thread. Thanks George.

Post #49 says that a customer could bring in his own action for refit. Clearly somebody liked this old Scandinavian.

If I ever decide to sell it I'll have to pull off the butt stock first.
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What you have is a Carl Gustafs Gevärfaktori in Eskilstuna, Sweden - 1875 Swedish Rolling block that were chambered for 12.7x44R centerfire - which someone converted to 38-55.  It's a 38-55 replacement barrel that was put on the action because there are no Swedish marking
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The end of the story came when I took the sight and stock off.
...No Lone Star markings. So even if it was done by Dave in Conroe, unless he recorded it somewhere in a record book as a Lone Star, it isn't.
  
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Dave Higgenbothem marked all of his rifles - Lone Star on the barrel and the serial number on the receiver tang

Mine has the Lone Star on the top tang and the serial number on the bottom tang. The barrel only has the chambering, on the bottom just ahead of the forend.
  

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I am just now joining this group.  Let me introduce myself.  My name is Don Abrams and I worked with Dave Higginbotham from about 1994 until about 1999.  I have been reading the thread about serial numbers etc. for the rifles made by Lone Star Rifles.  I met Dave as part of the THSS - Texas Historical Shooting Society, Cowboy Action Shooting (SASS).  Later got interested in BPCRS.  Had some experience in machine shop work, and talked to Dave about working in his shop to build my own rifle in exchange for helping him with his other work.  Built my rifle, used it with Dave as spotter to win the first Texas BPCRS championship in 1996 and in 1997 beat Steve Garbe to win the first East/West challenge match in Kansas.  So much for my credentials.  Will add more details later.  But regarding serial numbers.  The rule was - we will put just about any serial number you want.  Explains the difficulty in tracking serial numbers.  When i built my rifle cerca 1995 I wanted serial number 40 but was already taken.  It is possible at this time that Dave had built close to 40 rifles, a mixture of various original Rollers and a few built on castings slightly undersized (the mold was made from an original in a silicone mold).  My rifle was built using one of these castings.  I will continue to add my recollections about Dave, Katha, and Lone Star Rifle Company as time permits.  Dave was a great guy, and i miss him greatly!   Later.
  
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Don - Welcome and hoping you return soon to fill dotted lines respective to Dave and the Lone Stars.  When you return, if you can add additional information to mine - #0044, I would be appreciative.  Of all the rifles Dave made, this is the only one identified with a brass trigger guard and tang.  Plus, no mention anywhere of Silhouette rifles ... (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  

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Donald41 wrote on Jan 8th, 2018 at 9:55pm:
I am just now joining this group.  Let me introduce myself.  My name is Don Abrams and I worked with Dave Higginbotham from about 1994 until about 1999.  I have been reading the thread about serial numbers etc. for the rifles made by Lone Star Rifles.  I met Dave as part of the THSS - Texas Historical Shooting Society, Cowboy Action Shooting (SASS).  Later got interested in BPCRS.  Had some experience in machine shop work, and talked to Dave about working in his shop to build my own rifle in exchange for helping him with his other work.  Built my rifle, used it with Dave as spotter to win the first Texas BPCRS championship in 1996 and in 1997 beat Steve Garbe to win the first East/West challenge match in Kansas.  So much for my credentials.  Will add more details later.  But regarding serial numbers.  The rule was - we will put just about any serial number you want.  Explains the difficulty in tracking serial numbers.  When i built my rifle cerca 1995 I wanted serial number 40 but was already taken.  It is possible at this time that Dave had built close to 40 rifles, a mixture of various original Rollers and a few built on castings slightly undersized (the mold was made from an original in a silicone mold).  My rifle was built using one of these castings.  I will continue to add my recollections about Dave, Katha, and Lone Star Rifle Company as time permits.  Dave was a great guy, and i miss him greatly!   Later.


Don,
Hello old friend. As you said dave would stamp anything you wanted. As long as it was one of his rollers.
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Serial number and picture to follow soon
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Have the Lone Star rifles reached collector status and what would make them collectable beside not being made anymore?  Like to hear some opinions. 

Note:  Maybe I didn't word my post correctly and if I did I apologize.  Just trying to get a handle on value and and if there is more of a demand for the Lone Stars now.  I posted some photos of mine earlier in this thread. It has become a safe queen since I don't shoot it anymore and I am thinking that it would be better served  to put it back in service.

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GeorgeC wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
Have the Lone Star rifles reached collector status and what would make them collectable beside not being made anymore?  Like to hear some opinions. 

Note:  Maybe I didn't word my post correctly and if I did I apologize.  Just trying to get a handle on value and and if there is more of a demand for the Lone Stars now.  I posted some photos of mine earlier in this thread. It has become a safe queen since I don't shoot it anymore and I am thinking that it would be better served  to put it back in service.

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My answer is yes, but to a point. It really depends on the individual guns from what I've seen of guns sold. The guns that were 100% built by Lonestar seem to have higher values vs. guns reworked by Lonestar. And then the level of build will also have a great influence on how collectable the guns are. Those done in very high finish, with high end wood, and pistol grip stocks, checkering, half octagon barrels, etc. will get the highest collector interest.
  

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Thanks, Vall.  My Lone Star has the serial # LS0001.  At the beginning of this thread I posted some photos: one of the rifle, one of the original invoice, and one of the serial #.  Just trying to get an idea of its worth. It is a safe queen and I would like to sell it to someone who would use it. (Disclaimer: This is not an offer to sell) 

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I would think that a gun like yours with all the proper markings, plus documentation also, would be extremely desirable to anyone who is a fan of Dave's work. I'm not an expert on values of Lonestar rifles, or I'd try to help with giving you an idea of values. But I'm sure there's someone here who is and can help you.
  

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George - per the invoice you posted - Deluxe Sporting Rifle.  In the Blue Book of Values, MSR was $2195 and current values for Deluxe Sporting Rifles are
100% - $2250
98% - $2000
95% - $1650
90% - $1275
80% - $995
70% - $876
60% - $725

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Thanks John.  I would think with the LS 0001 serial # and the date it was built compared to the date Dave started his business would have some bearing on the value.  Also, the Kyler front sight and Zika Soule sight are not found everyday. 

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Agree George the Blue Book value is pretty much a give away price and at times not even respective to a rifles real value to an end user and or collector unfortunately. The term Custom Deluxe  Sporting rifle really has very little meaning in most instances and it could just refer to an off the shelf factory made import rifle with a few minor per-say upgrades.

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Heck, I just wish the Bluebook of gun values even covered Marlin Ballard rifles!!! And to make matters even worse, they did the Bluebook of Antique Gun Values and again left Ballard rifles out of that book!
Not sure what the people at Bluebooks have against trying to evaluate them, but they continue to not do so.
  

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Vall - my version of the Antique Values has Ballards listed but again no Stevens Tip Ups or Wurffleins.  About the only value source for Wurffleins is the auction houses
  

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Getting ignored in the price evaluation (gun value) books isn't new. My 1955 issue of Chapel doesn't show any Winchesters except the military model of the 1895. Beyond that Winchester isn't mentioned except incidentally because of patents etc.
No highwall, or even model of 1866 is shown.
Ballard gets only a little more, mostly the Civil War and shortly after guns being mentioned. But, that Kentucky State made the list showing a value range of $24-$36, for an increase over the others of exactly one simolian. Now, that's the price range I can  afford a Ballard at! Smiley
  
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Vall - my version of the Antique Values has Ballards listed but again no Stevens Tip Ups or Wurffleins. 


Which Ballards? Not Marlin Ballards. At least when I picked one up to buy they didn't. I contacted them to ask why the Marlin Ballard was omitted from the Bluebook, and now also in the Antique Bluebook, and they replied back that they didn't have anyone who could price them.
So I'm unsure how your copy covers the Marlin Ballard models if they told me why they left them out? Unless your copy of "Antique Values" is a Flayderman's, and he always covered them well!

PS-Go to their web site where you can do values searches and click on "antiques". Then enter "Marlin" and "Ballard" as the model. It comes up "no results" there too!

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Dave Higgenbotham lived in Italy with Dave Pedersoli and was the principal designer of the Pedersoli Rolling Block rifle. That rifle was intentionally designed so the parts were not interchangeable with original Remingtons. The two had a falling out shortly after the rolling block designs were completed and Dave H. had returned to the US.  Dave H. would not go into detail but ceased to have any business relationship with Pedersoli.  Dave H. built more than one rifle on an Italian action. I have had barrels in my shop that are marked Lone Star Rifle and threaded for the Italian receiver.  Pedersoli asked Dave H to design double set triggers for the Italian rifle which he declined to do. Pedersoli acquired Lone Star Rifle's set triggers elsewhere and adapted their design from there.        more to come...
  
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Daves choice of barrels for his Lone Star Rifles was Badger while Badger was still manufacturing BPC barrels. That being said Lone Star Rifles were built using Green Mountain, Douglas, and others.  I have or have had Lone Star rifle barrels from all the above and some that I can  not be certain of the maker.   Dave worked from castings building one rifle at a time so to speak. He had molds made by different sources. The best of those are made by and currently located at T/C. The castings from the T/C molds are slightly oversize and machine to original Remington specifications with a minimum of work compared to some other castings out there.    There are other molds at his shop made from silicone such as the internals for the #2 sporting rifle which are not so high a quality. Dave was very disappointed in the quality of the castings he received from those molds.  For his sporting model rifle Dave chose the #1 1/2 hammer and breech block design.  It was simply his personal preference. The trigger guard casting is that of the #1 sporting and works quite well for a custom build.
Dave also did a lot of restoration work, rebarreling etc. The original sporting rifle he restored for me is not Lone Star Rifle marked and the original serial number was retained.
  
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I recently picked up the remnants of the Lone Star Rifle Company shop.  Among the items there was the ATF log for all the rifles that Dave Higgenbotham made during his proprietorship of Lone Star Rifle. The original book was submitted to BATF after his death so I was only able to obtain a copy.  I spoke with Katha about other provenance for the Lone Star Rifle Co. She agreed to make photographs and other items available if someone wanted to document the Lone Star Rifle Company and Dave's work.
  
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Kenn - Much Thanks for Your Posts.  Reading your posts about Dave living in Italy and his relationship with Pedersoli, I have always surmised that my Lone Star was built on an early Pedersoli action design due to the early serial - his barrel stamp with single punches and brass that I've never seen on a Lone Star

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John B are your screws Metric? If coming from Ped. one would think they surely would be and it would help to verify what you have stated.

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JL - the jury is out and Dave's action is not a Pedersoli.
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Good deal JohnBoy and it sounds like it is not only a very interesting and unique rifle but a very nice one indeed as well.

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Just for grins, are you certain that those parts really are brass? Plated over steel could be checked with that magnet you have hanging around somewhere. Just a thought, 'cause I know nothing about the Pedersoli or Lone Star practices.
  
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Reply #124 - May 20th, 2018 at 11:43am
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Just for grins, are you certain that those parts really are brass?

CF - the plate and the trigger guard are .... Brass!
If you look at the serial numbers engraved in the tang - shows brass all the way through the numbers.  But to sure, the magnet would not stick on the metal
Now the Q is - where did Dave obtain the brass plate & guard and why are they on this rifle and none others?
  

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Reply #125 - May 20th, 2018 at 2:00pm
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Alway figured you knew what you were talking about, but thought I'd toss it in just in case. As to the big question, I'm as much in the dark as anybody. Abbrakadabra, shazzam...
  
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Reply #126 - May 20th, 2018 at 3:45pm
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John Boy wrote on May 19th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
JL - the jury is out and Dave's action is not a Pedersoli.
* All screws are SAE
* Pedersoli RB Creedmoor & Silhouette rifles have a 'stepped' action at the stub
* Dave's 12# 14oz RB has a round action at the stub with a rotary extractor which is the same as a #1 RB with a rotary extractor
But this rifle is the only one I've seen with a brass trigger guard and pin retainer plate


Sure looks like a Pedersoli to me, to include the brass button and trigger guard. DH could have drilled & tapped all screw holes to SAE, hence the SAE screws.
  
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Reply #127 - May 20th, 2018 at 8:51pm
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Let me throw a curve into the works for you all. In the stuff I brought home from the Higgenbotham estate, Lone Star Rifle Company, is an unfinished receiver casting that Dave has worked up. The receiver is definitely the Pedersoli style and pattern as they are bigger than a Remington and the parts do not interchange. There are also a small number of steel PG trigger guard castings that only fit the Pedersoli size receiver.  Two unfinished breech blocks and one unfinished Hammer.   Not certain but looks like at some point he was working up rifles on the Pedersoli pattern.  BTW the VAST majority of the shop parts are Remington pattern.
  
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Reply #128 - May 23rd, 2018 at 9:53pm
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This is going to take a while. I will post all the serial number that Lone Star Rifle reported to BATF over the life of the company.
001  a 40-65 Sporting
002  45-90 Sporting
007  40-70SS deluxe
008  45-70 Creedmoor
009  45-120 Creedmoor
010  45-70 Creedmoor
011  40-70SS Deluxe
012  45-70 (no mdl listed)
014  50-70   "
015  45-70   "
016  40-65   "
018  40-65   "
019  40-65   "
020  45-70  Creedmoor
021  40-70BN  Deluxe
022  38-55 Deluxe
023  50-90 Creedmoor
024  40-65 Deluxe
025  40-70SS Deluxe
026  40-65 Deluxe
027  40-65  Silhouette
028  38-55  Deluxe
029  45-70  Sporting
030  45-70 Silhouette
130  45-70  Sporting  later changed to 45-120

Note: part of what makes this difficult is the SNs were often issued out of order. If they were not too far out I have placed them in numerical order as opposed to date of manufacture

081  40-65  Deluxe
031  40-65 Silhouette
032  40-70 Deluxe
034  45-70  Silhouette
035  45-70 Deluxe Sporting
036  45-70 Creedmoor
037  40-70SS Deluxe Sporting
039  40-65  Silhouette
040  45-70 Sporting
041  45-70 Silhouette
042  40-65 Silhouette
043  45-90 Creedmoor
044  40-65  Sporting
050  50-70  (no mdl listed)

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Reply #129 - May 24th, 2018 at 9:13am
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Gentlemen - IMO it would be best not to post on this thread for related comments in order to provide a clean list of Lone Star serial numbers.  Please start a separate thread.
And A Big Thanks Kenn for your efforts
  

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Reply #130 - May 24th, 2018 at 11:02pm
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Other than the 081 rifle manufactured earlier Dave shows numbers 051 to 099 as not issued.

# 100  50-90 Buffalo Rifle
# 101  50-70 Sporting
# 102  40-65  Silhouette
#104   45-70 Deluxe
#105   45-70 Sporting
#106   45-100 Creedmoor
#107   32-40 Sporting Rifle
#108   38-55 Sporting Rifle
#109   38-55  Sporting Rifle
#110   38-55 Deluxe Sporting
#111   (saved)
#112   45-70  Sporting
#113   45-70 Silhouette
#114   45-70 Sporting
#115   40-65  Sporting
#116   40-65 Silhouette
#117   50-70 Sporting
#118   45-90  Creedmoor
#119   45-70  Creedmoor
#120   45-120  Creedmoor
#121   40-65  Silhouette
#122   45-70  Silhouette
#123  45-2 7/8 Deluxe Sporting
#124   40-65  Silhouette
#125   45-70  Sporting
#126   45-70  Silhouette
#128   45-70  Silhouette
#129   40-65  Silhouette
(#130 issued earlier)
#130-B  40-65 Silhouette
#131   40-65  Silhouette
#132   45-70  Silhouette
#133   45-90 Buffalo Rifle

#134   45-120
#135   45-120
#136   45-120
#137   38-55
#138   38-55
#139   38-55
#140   45-70
#141   45-70
#142   45-70
#143   45-70

No model listed for these SNs. Note that the lot was a single order exported from the U.S.

#144   50-90  Sporting
#145   45/70  Silhouette
#146   45/70  Creedmoor
#147   50/70  Target
#148   45/70  Creedmoor
#149   45/70  Silhouette
#150   50/70  Target
#151   45/90  Silhouette
#152   50/90  Target
#153   45/70  Silhouette 

  
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#154   45/70  Sporting
#155   45/70  Sporting
#156   45/70 Target
#157   45/100  Target
#158   50/70  (no model listed)
#159   45 . 2.4 Target Rifle  donated to the World Match
           in Africa
#160   45/70  Sporting Rifle
#161   45/70  Sporting
#162   45/70  Target
#163   45/70  Sporting Rifle
#164   50/90  Buffalo Rifle
#165   45/70  Target Rifle
#166   40/65  Target Rifle
#167   45/70  Target Rifle
#168   45/70  Silhouette Rifle
#169   50/90  Sporting Rifle Gove conversion
#500   30-40  #5
#171   40-2.4  Take Down
#172   45-70 Silhouette
#173   38-55  Cowboy
#174   44-70  Sporting
#175   50-70  Sporting
#176   50-70  Target
#177   45-70 Silhouette
#G1    50-70   Gove
#178   38-55  Sporting
#179   45-70  Silhouette
#180   44-77  Sporting
#181   40-65  Target
#182   45-70  Target
#G2     50-90 Silhouette
#183   38-55  Target
#184   32-40  Silhouette
#185   45-90 Silhouette
#186   50-90  Match Rifle
#GAC1876  50-70  Custer Commemorative
#187    45-90  Creedmoor Target Rifle
#1999  45-70 Silhouette  (last 20th century LSR rifle)

#G3     45-90  Gove
#188   45-90  Silhouette
#189    Receiver only
#G512  Receiver only
#G9    Receiver only
#G8    40/65  Silhouette
#GAC2  50/70 Custer Commemorative
#190   40/50SS  Deluxe Sporter
#191   45-70  Sporting
#192   45-70  Sporting
#193   45-90  Target
#194   45-70  Sporting
#195   45-70  Silhouette
#196   45-70  Silhouette
#197   45-70  Silhouette
#198   45-70  Silhouette

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#199   45-70  Silhouette
#200   50-70  Sporting
#201   45-70  Silhouette Standard
#G4    45-90  Gove
#G5    45-70  Gove
#G6    45-90  Gove
#G7    45-70  Gove
#202   45/70  Standard Cowboy Action
#203   40-65  Standard Cowboy Action
#204   38-55  Standard Cowboy Action
#205   50-70  Sporting
#206   50-70  Sporting
#G-13  44-90 Target
#207    50-90 Buffalo
#208   40-82 Silhouette
#209   25-35  Standard Cowboy Action
#210   38-55  Standard Cowboy Action
#211   30-40 Krag  #5
#212   40-65  Silhouette
#213   45-90  Standard Silhouette
#214   45-110  Silhouette
#215   45-70 Cowboy Action
#216   40-65 Silhouette
#217   45-70 Silhouette
#218   45-70  Silhouette
#219   45-70 Silhouette
#220   40-70  Silhouette
#221   50-70  Standard Cowboy Action
#222   45-100  Target
#223   45-90 Target
#224   50-90 Buffalo
#225   50-90  Buffalo
#247   45-70  Silhouette
#227   45 2.6  Buffalo
#1228  38-55  Cowboy Barreled Action
#229   Receiver only
#230   45-90  Target Rifle
#231   40-65  Silhouette
#232   38-55  Standard Silhouette
#233   38-55  Cowboy
#228   40-65  Silhouette
#234   38-55  Cowboy Action
#235   32-40  Cowboy Action
#236   45-70  Cowboy Action
#237   30-40 #5 Sporting 30/40 Krag
#238   30-40Krag  #5 Sporting
#239   30-40Krag  #5 Standard
#240   30/40Krag  #5 Sporting
#241   30-40 Krag  Sporting
#242   45-70  Silhouette Standard
#G11   45-70 Target
#243   40-70BN  Target
#244   45-70  Silhouette Standard
#245   38-55  Standard Cowboy
#246   45-70  Standard Cowboy
#248   45-70  Silhouette
#G15   44-77  Target
#249   40-82 Target
#250   40-65  Cowboy
#251   32-40  Cowboy
#252   45-70 Sporting
#253   40-70, 45-90, two barrel set.  Sporting
#254   38-55  Cowboy
#255   40-65  Barreled Action
#256   50-70  Sporting
#G10   45-70  Target
#G14   45-70  Gove Target

A significant number of these rifles were manufactured out of numerical order by as much as 20 units.

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Reply #133 - May 26th, 2018 at 4:48pm
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John Boy wrote on May 19th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
JL - the jury is out and Dave's action is not a Pedersoli.
* All screws are SAE
* Pedersoli RB Creedmoor & Silhouette rifles have a 'stepped' action at the stub
* Dave's 12# 14oz RB has a round action at the stub with a rotary extractor which is the same as a #1 RB with a rotary extractor
But this rifle is the only one I've seen with a brass trigger guard and pin retainer plate


It's quite possible that Dave got unfinished actions from Pedersoli and D&T them to standard, not metric. It could also be that the brass triggerplate is Pedersoli mixed with a non Pedersoli action.
  

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Reply #134 - May 26th, 2018 at 5:33pm
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It's quite possible that Dave got unfinished actions from Pedersoli

Judging by what's been accepted here, Dave helped design/develop the Pedersoli rolling blocks.  And as I know from my own experience, sometimes clients by their necessity or your choice pay for your services with goods rather than money.

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#249   40-82 Target
#252   45-70  Sporting
#257   50-70  Sporting (deluxe)
#A252  40-50BN  Target
#258   44-90  Target
#GAC 3   50-70 Custer Rifle
#259   45-70  Sporting
#260   44/60  Silhouette
#261   6.5x55  Silhouette
#262   50/70  Cowboy Standard
#263   45/90  Silhouette
#264   30/40  #5 Sporting
#265   40/65  Silhouette
#266   45-70  Sporting
#267   Receiver Only
#268   50-70 Sporting Rifle
#269   38-55  Barreled Action
#270   45-70  Silhouette
#271   (reserved)
#272   40-65  Silhouette
#273   45-110  Buffalo
#274   receiver only
#275   50/70  Sporting
#002   25-20  #7   
Note: LSR repeats the SN for a different model. 

#276   40-65  Silhouette
#278   45-70  Standard Silhouette
#279   45-70  Standard Silhouette
#280   40-65  Silhouette
#281   30/40 Krag   Standard
#282   50/70  Sporting
#283   45/70  Sporting
#284   Action Only
#285   45-70  Standard Sporting
#286   50-70  Sporting
#287   50-70  Silhouette
#288   45-70  Standard Silhouette
#289   45-90  Standard Silhouette
#290   40-65  Silhouette
#291   45-70  Silhouette
#293   Action Only
#294   50-70  Sporting Rifle
#295   45-100  Silhouette
#296   38-55  Sporting
#297   40-65  Silhouette
#277   45/70  Standard Sporting
#5-168   30/40Krag  #5
#6063  50-90  Deluxe Sporting
#22137  50-70 Sporting
#293-B  45-70  Sporting
#298   50-70  Sporting
#299   45-70  Silhouette
#300   575 2 3/4 BPE   Deluxe Sporter

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#301   44-77  Sporting  DST  sight upgrades
#302   50-70  50-70  Sporting sight upgrades
#303   50-70  Sporting
#304   50-70  Sporting  sight upgrades
#305   50-70  Sporting
#306   45-90  Silhouette
#307   40/50BN  Silhouette
#308   50-70  Sporting
#309   38-55  Deluxe Sporter
#310   45/70  Sporting
#311   44-77  Sporting
#312   Receiver only
#313   45-70  Silhouette
#314   40-65  Silhouette
#315   50-70  Standard Sporter
#316   45-70  Silhouette
#317   45-70  Target
#318   38-55  Target
#319   44-77  Target
#320   38-55  Standard Sporting
#321   44-60  Silhouette
#322   38-55  Standard Sporting
#329   50-70  Sporting
#1325  50-70  Sporting
#3231  45-70  Target
#326   50-90  Sporting
#7630  45-90  Sporting
#323   40-70  Target  (handwritten, possibly 45-70)
#31675  40-65  Target Standard
#81784  50-70 Sporting Standard
#327   50-70  Sporting Rifle
#328   30-40 Krag   #5
#324   50-70  Standard Silhouette
#1329  45-70  Standard Silhouette
#340   40-65  Silhouette
#341   45-70  Target
#342   40-65  Silhouette
#343   40-65  Sporting
#344   44-90BN  Sporting
#325   38-55  Standard Sporting
#345   45-70  Silhouette
#346   50-70  Sporting
#347   50-70  Sporting Deluxe
#348   45-70  Sporting
#349   50-70  Sporting
#350   50-70  Sporting
#GAC 004   50-70 Custer

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#351   50-70  Sporting
#352   40-65  Silhouette
#GAC 5   50-70  "Custer"
#353   45-70  Silhouette
#354   40-70SS  Sporting
#355   45-70  Silhouette
#356   45-70  Sporting
#357   40-70SS
#358   38-56  Silhouette
#359   50-70  Sporting
#360   50-70  Sporting
#361   50-70  Sporting
#362   50-70  Sporting
#363   50-70  Sporting
#364   .33 Win  Sporting
#365   50-70  Sporting
#JC001   50-70  Sporting
#397   40-65  Silhouette
#368   50-90  Sporting
#369   50-70  Sporting
#GAC1500    50-70  "Custer" Com
#888   38-55  Sporting
#366   30-40.4  and  219Zipper  Target (2 BBL SET?)
#367   50-70  Sporting
#370   45-70  Target
#371   40-65  Target
#383   40-65  Target
#373   40-65  Target barreled action
#374   30-40  Deluxe Sporting
#375   219 Zipper  Sporting
#376   45-70  Target
#377   45-70  Sporting
#378   22Hornet  Target
#379   32-40  Target
#380   40-65  Target
#381   50-70  Sporting
#382   50-70  Sporting
#372   30-40  Deluxe Sporting
#384   50-70  Sporter
#385   45-90  Target
#371   40-65  Target  note: 371 is listed twice same
                        caliber & model.
#386   219Z   Target
#387   50-70  Sporting
#388   50-70  Sporting
#389   50-70  Buffalo
#390   44-77  Buffalo
#391   30-30  Sporting
#392   45-70  Target
#393   40-65  Silhouette
#394   45-90  Silhouette
#395   50-70  Sporting #1
#396   50-70  Sporting #1
#398   45-90  Silhouette
#399   40-65  Silhouette
#400   .22LR (no model listed)

    There are some personally requested SNs and some numbers noticeably out of order.

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#401   45-70  Target
#402   45-70  Sporting
#403   219 Zipper  Target
#404   50-70  Target
#405   30-40K  Deluxe Sporting
#406   50-70  Sporting
#407   50-70 Sporting
#409   50-70  Sporting
#410   50-70  Sporting
#411   30-40K  Sporting
#412   45-70  Target
#413   50-70  Sporting
#414   30-40  Deluxe Sporting
#415   30-40  Deluxe Sporting
#416   30-40  Deluxe Sporting
#417   219Z   Deluxe Sporting
#418   50-70  Sporting
#419   45-70  Target
#420   30-40K  Target
#421   50-70  Sporting
#422   45-70  Sporting
#423   50-70  Sporting
#424   50-70  Deluxe Sporting
#425   45-70  Deluxe Sporting
#426   44-60  Silhouette
#427   50-70  Sporting
#428   50-70  Sporting
#429   40-65  Target
#430   50-90  Sporting
#431   50-90  Sporting
#50     50-70  Target
#475   475 Turnbull  Sporting
#432   25-35  Target
#433   40-90RS  Target
#434   38-55
#435   50-90  Sporting
#436   40-70SS  Target
#437   45-70  Target
#438   30-40K  #5
#439   25-35WCF 
#440   50-140  Sporting
#441   45-90  Silhouette
#442   38-55  Target
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Reply #139 - Jul 7th, 2018 at 3:17pm
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Thanks Kenn, great information - Time to make the thread a Sticky!
  

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