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May 18th, 2016 at 1:29pm
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With the demise of Dave Higginbotham and Lone Star Rolling Blocks is an unknown number of rifles Dave made.  If you own one or did ... would you be so kind to post the rifle's serial number and year made to be added to the list ... Thanks Kindly
001 - GeorgeC - 1993 ... see post of invoice
LS001 - 993 - Mike Johnson - no serial number (50-90)
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0044 - John Boy - ? Date, XXXX serial instead of XXX (45-70)
100 - Armslist Listing - ? Date
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105 - nineteen76 - ? Date
114 - Ray Newman - 1995
116 - Mike Venturino - 1997
132 - Mike Venturino - TBD
158 - Mike Venturino - 1998
190 - percival - 2001 -2002
191 - nineteen76 - ? Date
216 - lonestar40 - 40-65, 1-2-2001
22137 - Al Merkler's DOB - 2003
GAC 1876 - John in PA - ? Date
232 - SSShooter - ? Date
SN 5-238 - nineteen76 - ?Date
248 - Richard - ? Date
275 - Kenny - ?Date - On  Amoskeg
290 - Dave Roelle - 3-28-03, 40-65 engraved
291 - TexasMac -  Friends - ? Date
326 - Steve62 - ? 2004 or 2005
378 - nineteen76 - ? Date
384 - nineteen76 - ? Date, 45/70
384 - nineteen76 - ? Date, 50/70
oneatatime ... rebuild on 7mm action - no serial ... 2007
? serial number ...Gun Auction .... - 2007 auction
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370 - nineteen 76 - ? Date
387 - Mike Herth - 2008
401 - Mike Herth - 2009
408 - COBPTR -  2008 or 2009 
420 - Gun Broker - ? Date
429 - mickrb -  ? Date
995 - Singleshotsam - Custer - ? Date
Last Lone Star - Carey - 2011  -  Serial to be Dave's birth & death dates

Total production is guessed to be no more than 500 rifles and probably less than 500

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Where did Dave stamp his serial number?  It is my understanding the some of the rifles Dave built used original Remington civilian and military actions.

There were two Lone Stars listed on GB a couple of weeks ago. One was in .30-40 Krag and the other IIRC was a .38-50.
  

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This 50-70 that he built for me used my 7mm military carbine action.
  
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Beautiful roller.  I have one he built in 1993 and will be posting information and a photo in the next couple of days.
  

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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2016 at 8:13pm
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Where did Dave stamp his serial number?

George, look on the bottom tang.  That is where my serial number is.

Oneatatime ... did Dave put a serial number on you action?  Also, what year did Higginbotham do the conversion for you?
  

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I will look.  Also, some more info. sent via PM to you.

  

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Reply #6 - May 21st, 2016 at 2:08pm
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Here is a photo of my Lone Star that was taken by Rooster.  It was one of many photos that he sent me when I was doing a buy on this rifle from him.
I have the original invoice from Dave Higginbotham to the original buyer that the rifle was built for, but I could not find a serial number which was supposedly #001. No serial number was listed on the invoice.  I looked on the lower tang, under the soule sight on the upper tang, took the fore end off and no serialnumber.  On the top barrel flat (in scroll) was Lone Star Rifle Co.  In front of the fore end was 45 2.4 also in scroll. That was all the lettering and/or numbers I have found. The lower tang is not longer than the upper tang as on military rolling blocks.  The invoice listed the rifle as a "Deluxe Sporting rifle", 32" half octagon/half round barrel, "Zika Soule grip" sight.  Front sight listed on invoice is #492 Kyler front sight.  Invoice is dated 5/28/93. 
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Posted a photo of the serial number that Mike Brooks sent me.  The serial number (LS 0001) and is on the side of the upper tang. 

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I know a friend here in town that has one of Dave's in .45-70 with the tough and ready site on it.  Nice looking rifle.  Probably, somewhere in 2011?? he got it from him.
  
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Mine was delivered to me late in 2007 and has no markings added by Dave except the 50 under the barrel in front of the foreend and the Lone Star logo on the buttplate.
  
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Major, would you ask your friend what the serial number is?  Thanks
  

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Check this out ... 2013
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Ken I have the last Lone Star that was made, it was the one that Dave had chucked in his mill the day he was shot and died. I made a trade with Dave and he was building this custom rifle in payment. Katha sent me the gun still needing some finish work which I am doing now and will serial number it to Dave when done. Sad when we loose a person with his ability, he built very nice rifles.
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John Boy, Have you or anyone asked Katha Higginbotham if there is a list of rifles produced and who sold to?
  
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Katha Higginbotham ran an ad in the Winter issue of Black Powder Cartridge journal listing some of Dave's personal guns for sell.
  

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John Boy, Have you or anyone asked Katha Higginbotham if there is a list of rifles produced and who sold to?
Tom, this was discussed on the Shiloh forum but no contact information to her was established

With her email address is the BPCR news - it's a can do
Katha47@suddenlink.net

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Added another photo to my reply.  It shows the serial
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And here's information on the last Lone Star Rifle that Dave Higginbotham made:

Hello John, yes mine was Dave's last gun but was never serial numbered when I received it from Katha. I told Katha that when I finished it I would serial number it to Dave's life, birth year and death year, she thought that would be great. The gun was together and shootable, just lacking the final finishing when I sold it before my move to Oregon. A friend has it and was finishing the gun, it will be nice since he I very good gun smith and engraver. If you are interested I can give you his name and number, you may can buy it from him. Also if you are interested I have several other single shot rifles for sale since my interest have moved in other directions. Give me a call if you want to. Carey
  

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Reply #17 - May 22nd, 2016 at 7:59pm
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John Boy,

Your post has been very interesting. You put a tremendous amount of effort in your research.  I hope more Lone Star owners will post information and photos of their Lone Star rifles.  Do I see a book in the future? 

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Not from me George.  Maybe TexasMac?  Hello Wayne?
It would have to have many pictures.  If Dave took a picture of each rifle for his files and his wife has them - Perfect
  

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For those that don't subscribed to BPC News, Dave's personal rifles his wife has up for sale ...
  

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Have a Lone Star roller in 38-50 that I'll likely sell this summer. Very nice rifle, but my safe is getting over-crowded and my 38-50 Hepburn is finally finished (picked it up from DZ Arms yesterday). For what its worth, Lone Star made an excellent rifle. Tragic about Dave's untimely end. Think the 38-50 is turning out to be about as perfect an all-around cartridge as there is. As accurate a Schuetzen round as any and still able to be competitive in all of the BP disciplines out to 600yd.
  

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I have a Lone Star Custer Model 50-70 SN 995. I had talked with Dave about the rifle right before he passed but did not ask when it was made. It has the round topped receiver with a heavy octagon barrel and single set trigger. Combination front sight and Rough and Ready rear.

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Sam - pretty Rolling Block with good looking CC.  Serial number is interesting - outside the range for those identified thus far.  Updated the list
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Thought a few of you would enjoy an old catalog of Lonestar's.
  
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Any chance of seeing the content or getting a copy of it?
  

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Just found this post ,so will add my Lone Stars to the list.
I have 7 of them.
Going by the 1st picture from top to bottom:
1) Target rifle, 45/70, SN 370
2) Double trigger Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 191
3) Sporting Model, 50/70, SN 384
4) Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 384
(Not a typo, same serial numbers, don't ask me how,
I already asked and ATF says "okay in different calibers"
5) Special Sporting Model, 45/50REM, SN 378
6) #5 Sporter, 30/40KRAG, SN 5-238
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Last one, #7 is a Gemmer Model built from one of Dave's early rifles. This one started life as a Sporting Model 45/70 and was Built to a Gemmer by Richard McKinney of Schuetzen Gun Company Drake, Colorado.
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nineteen76 ... thanks for sharing.  A superlative gorgeous collection of Dave's rifles
  

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What a fantastic collection of Lone Star Rollers nineteen76! Wow!
  

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of more of the catalog
  
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another page of Dave Catalog
  
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and the page of the catalog about Custer's letter to Remington.
  
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Then he sent a few photos of rifles he made or could make your's like with a photo of himself holding one of his nice rifles.
  
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Price sheet for extras that could be included on your rifle.
  
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Mine, 0044, the Silhouette model (12# 7oz) has a #4 Badger 34 1/4” barrel (1:16 twist) stamped LONE STAR (8# 7oz trigger pull) but it is unique with the brass plate and trigger guard – no pistol grip and cheek piece butt stock
Per Blue Book of Values, Dave established business in 1992. Made ~ 12 different models, different calibers.  No mention of any brass trigger guard or Silhouette model with no pistol grip from 1999 to 2006

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Reply #37 - Jun 2nd, 2016 at 10:43pm
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To all the Gentlemen that posted your Lone Star's - invoices - pictures and catalogs to this thread - I Sincerely Thank You.  I never envisioned we would have so many of Dave's rifles and supporting documentation identified in one thread.  Absolutely, not a complete listing but without a doubt, the most informative composite listing known to date.
Bear with me I have not individually listed all the rifles in the first post yet.  My intent is to do this.

I would like to continue the thread, because there are many questions about Dave's rifles that are unknown.  Maybe we can fill in the blanks:
* Barrel sources - known to be Green Mountain & Badger
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* Butt Plates - subcontracted from who or did he make them?
* Checkering - subcontracted or did he do his own?

And my mystery is - why does my 0044 have a brass trigger guard and who did Dave obtain it from.  It is an anomaly compared to all his other rifles he made!  And why the original owner put a cheap Italian vernier on the rifle  with 4mm tapped base screws and a Lyman 17A foresight... is beyond me  Cry
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Lone Star #114, 45-70, 32" Badger barrel, no pistol grip. Purchased approx. 1995.
  
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0044 with the brass trigger guard looks like it might be a Italian made rolling block.

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0044 with the brass trigger guard looks like it might be a Italian made rolling block.

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So you think that Dave acquired an Italian made rolling block and stamped his Lone Star logo and serial number on a rifle he did not make?  Am I misunderstanding your  post?
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John and Vall,
Thanks for the comments on my Lone Stars.
Dave surely had a talent for building these copies.
Every bit on par with the fit and finish of a Shiloh Sharps.
Here are a couple shots from two calendar/catalogs I have. 1999 and 2009.
I like the one with Dave and a Friend at what I assume is Custer's Last Stand.
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nineteen76, thanks for sharing the Lone Star calendars.  Very interesting  and entertaining.
  

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have been an admirer of Remington Rolling Block Sporting and Target Rifles. I have also admired Whitney Rolling Block Sporting and Target Rifles, as well as those from the Scandinavian countries, and I would suggest there are some stylistic differences amongst them, such as in the contours of the frame, breech block and hammer spur, trigger guard , and trigger.

Having an interest in the rolling block sporters, I came across Dave at a gun show in Denver about 30 years ago where he had a table set up I was able to admire several rolling block rifles he made and I was quite taken with the quality of workmanship. All had the contours of those made by Remington as do the rolling blocks pictured in this thread, other than #0044.

It would appear that Dave probably made the frame of #0044 from scratch. I was just saying style of #0044 looks like the Pedersoli rolling blocks. We have the answer thanks to majorfs45’s  posting of a page from one of Dave’s catalogues in Reply #31. I made my post before I read through the catalogue pages posted by majorfs45.

I have posted some photos of Pedersoli Rollers which it turns out were designed by Mr. Higgenbotham.








  
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That catalog in message 31 does say "with the introduction of our new American made actions... our Lone Star rifles are now 100% American made" which implies that before this they were not. So #44 may have Italian parts. Also the message that has his comments about being in Italy designing guns for Pedersoli mentions an inline muzzleloader based on the rolling block but not the Pedersoli rolling block itself (doesn't that go back to the early 60s with Navy Arms?).
  
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Reply #45 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 2:09pm
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“I recently spent several months in Italy designing firearms for Pedersoli Mfg. Co.”
                                                               
“This included an in-line muzzleloader based on the rolling block action.”

Perhaps someone knows just what type of firearms Mr. Higgenbotham designed for Pedersoli, other than the in-line muzzleloader based on the rolling block action, which is the only one mentioned in the catalogue posted. Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington. Perhaps someone also knows when he was in Italy designing firearms for Pedersoli.

  
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Reply #46 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15pm
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Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington.
Go back to nineteen76's Lone Star 1999 calendar post and read the wording at the bottom ...
We Use No Imported Actions

but I have to agree, the Lone Star RB actions are IMO a 100% Pedersoli look-a-like
  

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Reply #47 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:24pm
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John Boy wrote on Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:15pm:
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Perhaps he had a hand in the design of the Pedersoli rolling block cartridge rifle, which looks to me to be stylistically different from the sporting and target No.1 rolling blocks produced by Remington.
Go back to nineteen76's Lone Star 1999 calendar post and read the wording at the bottom ...
We Use No Imported Actions

but I have to agree, the Lone Star RB actions are IMO a 100% Pedersoli look-a-like


In the example of Dave's catalog it says that his guns are "with addition of American made actions, now 100% American made". Were they at some point earlier made partially from Italian parts?
  

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Reply #48 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 3:32pm
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OK, so we know that by 1999 he was no longer using imported actions. We know that he did at one time use imported actions by what he said in his catalog where he pointed out "NOW 100% American made" (caps added for emphasis). Found another message that said by 2002 he was using Storie castings but it didn't say when he started or when Storie started making rolling block action castings. Navy Arms was importing large action Pedersoli rolling blocks beginning in 1971 and small action ones in 1968 (Navy Arms history).
  
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Reply #49 - Jun 5th, 2016 at 4:09pm
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It was my understanding that the customer could supply an action to Lone Star to build a rifle on or modify first before doing so.

You could get those Italian actions throughout the 1980's from Navy Arms, either by themselves, barreled, or in a kit to be made into a rifle.

Besides the brass trigger guard, one characteristic of the one action I looked at was that there was a gap between the hammer and the breechblock such that the breech could almost be opened with the hammer on half-cock.

I don't know whether this was some gunsmith's modification (the rifle was an unmarked .50-70) or whether that was the way the Italians made it.
  
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Dave told me he used Thompson Center for his casting.   He made the moulds or had moulds made I don't know. We were talking about me  supplying screws for a #2 and #7 he was working on. Dave told me he had the moulds for the waxes done and had some test casting done and machined and had 2 or 3 rifles made one for himself and one for someone else. But   was on the fence  about into production as the price was going to be about the same as his 1#s.  Ken
  
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Reply #51 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am
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Maybe this will resolve the discussion whether Dave used foreign parts for his Lone Star rifles - then stopped at a point in time:

Action and Trigger Guard, Serial 0044
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The actions-brass trigger guards and triggers are look-a-likes!
The difference with the one in BPC News is the face of the receiver is vertical and the 0044 is canted forward

For final support, to determine if the Lone Star actions are Pedersoil: drop the forearm determine if there is a witness mark on the lower face of the action
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The action and the barrel are then checked with a machinist's square, after which the barrel and frame are set in a special device that places witness marks on both pieces for registration during the final assembly after the bluing and color casehardening

Since Dave used non Pedersoli barrels and if the Lone Star action is a Pedersoli, there will be a witness mark on the lower front of the action
Lone Star 0044 has this witness mark!
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Reply #52 - Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:57am
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John Boy wrote on Jun 6th, 2016 at 11:41am:
The actions-brass trigger guards and triggers are look-a-likes!
The difference with the one in BPC News is the face of the receiver is vertical and the 0044 is canted forward



Could you elaborate or explain what you mean by "canted forward"? I don't know what you're referring to, or mean about the face of the receiver?
  

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Vall: Looking an the photos closer again, I don't believe there is any difference between the 2 actions in their shape
Canted forward - angled
Face of the receiver - front of the receiver
  

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Serial #190.  Built about 2000-2001.  40-50 Sharps Straight.  30" Douglas bbl. (original owner told me they used a Douglas because Badger had a years wait time).  Nicely engraved.  Overall, one of my favorite rifles!
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#190  more pics
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I also have one of the Custer Lone Star's.   Dave said "You can have any serial number you want except #GAC1. That one's mine."  I said, "Any one?" He said, "Yep".  I said, "Serial number GAC 1876."  Dave said, "Dang, I wish I'd thought of that!"

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Reply #57 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 11:31am
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Percival did your rifle come from Ca. it looks similar to the one a good friend AC Gould on this site had built and then sold to another friend here. If it is indeed the same rifle it was an an extremly good shooting rifle and a very beautiful one at that.

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Yes sir, it's the same rifle.
  
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Thank you sir and not being a big fan of the Rolling Blocks this one is trully an exception and the pictures don't do it real justice. It is an absoulutly beautful work of craftmanship at its finest and it shoots good to boot as I have witnessed on several occasions and congratulations on being the new owner.

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Reply #60 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 6:27pm
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There are some beautiful examples of Dave Higginbotham's work posted.  I hope more rifles keep showing up.  #190 is an outstanding example.
  

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Reply #61 - Jun 7th, 2016 at 7:37pm
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Wish Mr. Higginbotham had incorporated a traditional straight bar extractor with retaining screw version, instead of only the rotary extractor, which #1 sporting rifles never had.
  
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Reply #62 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 12:35pm
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nineteen76,

You sure have an outstanding collection of Lone Star rolling blocks.

I see there was one recently sold at auction on 4 June 2016:   

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Thank you Powderman.
No, I was not the bidder on that Rifle, though I believe the seller posted on Shiloh's forum that the rifle brought $1500.00 and after the Auction House took their share he wound up with $1200.00. I assume the $1725.00 included the buyers fee, which tells me the Auction House made a tidy $525.00 on just that one rifle.
Too bad, I would have gladly paid the buyer $1725.00 for the rifle and I know for a fact he could have gotten $2500.00 for that rifle elsewhere.
These Auction Houses are a rip-off for sure and for certain.
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Reply #64 - Jun 8th, 2016 at 9:26pm
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It was a good price for that rifle, even though it went through and auction house. To bad the seller did not post it on one of the single shot rifle forums though.
  
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The list of Dave's rifles is growing, 31 so far ...
* 2 identified from a ad in the Single Shot Exchange.  Have one with serial and the seller will let me know about the other one.
* Made contact with the Columbus TX match director which is near Dave's home in Conroe TX.  He owns 2 and many of the club members own Dave's rifle.  He will survey the members for their serials & dates and let me know.
  

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Reply #66 - Jun 9th, 2016 at 9:48am
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Just my opinion, but I think the auction houses sometimes make a fatal error when grouping certain types of guns all into one auction. They flood the auction with a bunch of single shot rifles with hopes it will bring out a lot of buyers with single shot rifles as their main interest. That part works, and it's great for the buyers who have deep pockets. But by putting so many nice, similar guns in one auction, it dilutes the waters. Bidders have usually got a limited amount of funds to spend, so they wont bid on every gun, or they wont bid very high in order to ensure they spread their buying money over whatever they most desire. Consequently the resulting prices all tend to go lower than if the auction had less of the same type of gun.
I don't begrudge the auction houses making their share of the ending price. Sellers aren't forced to use them, and the fees are not hidden from sellers, so buyers knowingly consign with them. But I know several sellers who were surprised to see their guns sold at an auction that included a large collection of similar guns, and felt it hurt their particular gun(s) sales.
  

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Finally dug my 38-50 Lone Star RB out from the back of the safe and it is S/N #232. Had forgotten what a nice rifle Dave built. I'll get some measurements and pic's up in a day or two. So nice I could almost shoot it instead of my Hepburns. Dave certainly knew how to build a rifle.
  

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Be careful, you might talk yourself out of selling it this summer or are just baiting me.   Grin

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Both. Wink Grin
The barrel is 28" long, 1.04" at the muzzle and 1.12" at the receiver with my digital vernier and weighs 10#3oz without sights. Is d&t'd on what measures with my tape as a 7.20" center for scope blocks. Has a dovetail for a front sight. I don't know the barrel maker and the fellow I bought it from did not know what Dave put on for him. Pistol grip stock and schnabel forearm. I remember now that the reason I haven't bothered with it was I was going to have it checkered this fall. Here's a pic. I'll take a couple of full length pic's tomorrow when I have more time to 'tinker'. My 38-50 Hepburn weights 10#2oz with a 26" barrel. Couldn't be much closer.
  

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I'm beginning to drool.  Of course you have to remember it's a fairly high serial # compared to my #0001.Grin Cheesy
  

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Here are a couple of pic's. As you can see, I'm not too good at this photography stuff. The wood for the stock on the second pic looks nothing like the photo. But, I'm not going thru the hassle of shooting another pic unless a buyer needs a better one.
  

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Dave also built some gove style rolling blocks.
As i remember the first was built for katha. I do not remember the calibre .
He also built a 50-70 r.b. Pistol it was a blast to shoot.
Dave was also known for his love of muzzle loaders. He apparently built a lot of them years ago.
I know that he used many different barrels, badger, green mountain. He barreled a 45-70  win high wall for me with a gm barrel they had given him to test. It shot very well.
  
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Thank you for adding me to the group.
By way of introduction, I am a Firearms Engraver and used to do engraving for Dave Higginbotham at Lone Star Rifle before his untimely death.
  

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Mark, welcome.  I hope you have some interesting tales and valuable information that you might want to share.

John Boy, thanks for reviving the Lone Star thread.  Hope to see more Lone Stars turn up.

I'm on another forum where there are several Lone Star shooters. I've mentioned this LS thread, hoping to get some more interest stirred up.

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nineteen76 wrote on May 29th, 2016 at 3:38pm:
Just found this post ,so will add my Lone Stars to the list.
I have 7 of them.
Going by the 1st picture from top to bottom:
1) Target rifle, 45/70, SN 370
2) Double trigger Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 191
3) Sporting Model, 50/70, SN 384
4) Sporting Model, 45/70, SN 384
(Not a typo, same serial numbers, don't ask me how,
I already asked and ATF says "okay in different calibers"
5) Special Sporting Model, 45/50REM, SN 378
6) #5 Sporter, 30/40KRAG, SN 5-238
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I hope I don't see one like that top 45-70 Target rifle with the pistol grip for sale before I get healed.   That will be a sad day for me till then.   by that I mean Glenn has made me a little sad here with his 38-50RH.    I do love that cartridge!!   What is the twist in yours SSShooter?
  

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Reply #76 - Sep 23rd, 2016 at 4:00pm
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George, Mark's post is on the Everything Rolling Block Facebook forum.  I just copied his post from there and put it on the ASSRA forum
  

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Add this one. LS Silhouette in 40-65 #216 shipped 1-2-01. 32" tapered octagon, 75% figured wood, pistol grip , double set triggers, pistol grip, 100% pattern #3 engraving on action extending 1.5" onto barrel. MVA long range with Soule, windage front sight.
  
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Thanks Lonestar ... your on the list:
191 - nineteen76 - ? Date
216 - lonestar40 - 40-65, 1-2-2001
22137 - Al Merkler's DOB - 2003
  

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SgtDog0311 wrote on Sep 23rd, 2016 at 3:41pm:
I hope I don't see one like that top 45-70 Target rifle with the pistol grip for sale before I get healed.   That will be a sad day for me till then.   by that I mean Glenn has made me a little sad here with his 38-50RH.    I do love that cartridge!!   What is the twist in yours SSShooter?

Well, John................ better late than never. Just noticed your question. Is a 15" twist, so not much use to me and I passed it along to shooter in PA that will hunt deer with it. Deer don't know the difference between a 325gr bullet and a 370gr bullet, but steel rams do. My new 38-50 has a gain-twist barrel that ends a 11.5", which should be close enough to 12".
  

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Thank you for adding me to the group.
By way of introduction, I am a Firearms Engraver and used to do engraving for Dave Higginbotham at Lone Star Rifle before his untimely death.

I am looking for the engraver that engraved my Axtell 1877 Sharps No 1 Creedmoor rifle. The seller thought it was William Gamradt but after contacting him with pictures he said he did not do the work.  I called Carmen Axtell and she couldn't remember, but gave me a couple of names; they did not do the work either. I contacted the FEGA historian but nobody will fess up to doing the work. So do you know anybody who was engraving Axtel rifles about the same time you were engraving these Lone Stars? It is beautiful old-time style engraving that makes the rifle look 140 yrs old.
Thank you - don't mean to hijack the thread. I am looking for a Rolling Block No 1 target or Creedmoor with half oct barrel, checkered pistol grip, and in 44-77 bn.
  
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Thanks John for adding me to the list

build year was 2003

engraved by JWA Mono

original owner John Williford

Listed as a Silhouette Rifle

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438 is a .30-40 which left his shop two months before his unfortunate death.

I had requested one of his psuedo No.5 (I don't believe he ever had the correct hammers and breech blocks), but as he was winding down towards retirement, the selection of bits became limited. I have the 30" barrel and equally narrow forend, but the action is a rebated octagon of the No.1 shape, because the round tops were no longer in stock. Marcot's book shows such actions with round barrels, so it's not too weird, and he and I were both pleased with the result.

With its super slender barrel, the gun weighs under 7 lb and is a delight to shoot. The long barrel gives it a nice hang, and the plain trigger is superb. The wood is quite ordinary but well fitted.

The gun as delivered has several screw ups, but he died before I could send it back, so one day I'll have to find another 'smith to make it all right.

He was good to work with. I wish he'd had a chance to enjoy a retirement.
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I'm here with a question. 
...I have a great rifle that I bought as a Lone Star, but it may not fit the mold. The action is a c-crown with 1875 on one side and a serial number on the other. half-way down the barrel is a very light "38-55". Wood, fit, and finish are high quality, but if there is any mark to indicate LS, I haven't found it.
Any hints, clues or suggestions? 

My"Lone Star" with the Navy my grandson wanted after he shot the "Lone Star" a few times.
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Reply #87 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 4:01pm
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Any hints, clues or suggestions? 

Remove the forearms and determine if there are any markings underneath them on the barrels.  Also, what are the serial numbers
  

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The Navy is an unmodified Navy.
No markings under the forearm of the "Lone Star".
Serial number 3295
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My Lone Star's serial number is on the left side of the top tang under the stock.

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Reply #90 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 5:13pm
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Dave Higgenbothem marked all of his rifles - Lone Star on the barrel and the serial number on the receiver tang

Total production is guessed to be no more than 500 rifles and probably less than 500.  Accordingly, your serial number RB of 3295 is not a Lone Star riifle. 

If the rifle barrel has a proof mark, you will be able to determine who made the Italian rifle.  No proof mark or makers name - it's unknown
Hope you didn't pay a 'Lone Star' price for the rifle and if you did - might want to have a talk with the seller
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Reply #91 - Aug 12th, 2017 at 6:22pm
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Thanks John.
I answered in haste, the serial number from memory was not correct. Pictures attached. Clearly, someone who did very good work took an old frame and upgraded it. For whatever reason only the 38-55 on the underside of the barrel was added.
I could buy a lot of rifles for what I paid, but probably not your Lone Star.
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Only one picture to a post? Based on reply #14, I might find some info if I remove the butt stock.

...and If I had seen George C.'s post I would have known that without rereading the whole thread. Thanks George.

Post #49 says that a customer could bring in his own action for refit. Clearly somebody liked this old Scandinavian.

If I ever decide to sell it I'll have to pull off the butt stock first.
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The action is a c-crown with 1875 on one side and a serial number on the other. half-way down the barrel is a very light "38-55".

What you have is a Carl Gustafs Gevärfaktori in Eskilstuna, Sweden - 1875 Swedish Rolling block that were chambered for 12.7x44R centerfire - which someone converted to 38-55.  It's a 38-55 replacement barrel that was put on the action because there are no Swedish marking
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The end of the story came when I took the sight and stock off.
...No Lone Star markings. So even if it was done by Dave in Conroe, unless he recorded it somewhere in a record book as a Lone Star, it isn't.
  
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Reply #95 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 1:32am
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John Boy wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 5:13pm:
Dave Higgenbothem marked all of his rifles - Lone Star on the barrel and the serial number on the receiver tang

Mine has the Lone Star on the top tang and the serial number on the bottom tang. The barrel only has the chambering, on the bottom just ahead of the forend.
  

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