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My flat side 40-70BN rolling block.


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Pretty darn nifty Joe! And a set trigger gun too! Don't see many flat sides on #1 Rolling Blocks! I have a #1 with set trigger and 34" heavy barrel that's slightly larger than the receiver. But mine is the common stepped receiver.
  

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I always wanted a heavy barrel #1.  Please post a picture, MG. What caliber?


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That's a neat one, Joe. I've seen one that Vall got a year or so back that caught my eye, and now you show us this pair of yours.  You two are gonna end up making me want a darn rolling block.
  
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You have to love those rollers. Your making me want to get another. My four is not enough.
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Feel free to share pictures.


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Mine is in .44-77 bottleneck Joe. Have to take some pics of it.

Here's mine, thanks to Joe's help sizing them down!
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Nice Vall. Love that heavy barrel. Looks like a real buffalo gun.



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Here's another with a 30" heavy barrel in .44 Long CF.

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And another that started life as a .38 Long, but was converted at some time to .22 LR. Appears to have also been fitted with donor forearm wood. It's marked EC Hackett on the underside of the barrel. Mayor of Oregon City, Or. during WWI., and deputy sheriff before that. County Recorder until his death at around 87 years old.

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Here is a standard sporting rifle I have in 45-70.

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I do like rolling blocks !!! Smiley  I had one in 45-70 and got talked out of it  $$$$  Darn people!!!   

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Powdermans roller has us all beat. Very nice. Thanks for sharing!


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How long is the barrel on your 45-70, Powderman? Good bore?

My 40-70 BN is about 75 percent. Rough up near the breech. I did shoot it once at a local match. Mostly made a lot of noise with duplex loads from a short 28 inch barrel. It really rattles the rafters, lol.


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westerner wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 9:23am:
Powdermans roller has us all beat. Very nice. Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks for the compliments guys, and here I thought I was the only one who liked RB’s. It seems any No. 1 sporting rifle in a large centre-fire cartridge is a scarce item. I bought my 45-70 about 30 years ago from a fellow collector here in BC. My 45-70 has a 26” barrel and is fitted with a folding two leaf rear and a silver blade front sight in addition to the sporting tang sight. A good rig for hunting in the bush. The fore end cap and buttplate still have their case colours. The inside is in as nice shape, if not better, as the outside of the gun. The bore has excellent, sharp, mirror-like rifling.

I used to have a No.1 sporter in 46 Ex Long rimfire with a heavy weight barrel, that had a beach combination front sight and Remington sight mounted just ahead of the receiver that had a flip-up peep sight. If I remember right the barrel was 28”. The rifle was mint with the exception of the right side of the frame which had suffered somewhat from poor storage leaving no case colours and light pitting on that side of the frame.

I had two RB Long Range rifles with 34” half octagon barrels in 44S that had sprit level windgage front and Remington Long Range rear sights, in about as nice condition as the 45-70. One of them had a set trigger. The SN on the barrel was 100 different from the rest of the gun, a factory error, I think. I bought it from Tom Axtell at a gun show in Kalispell, Mt. and ended up trading it to Jim Goergen for a Ballard # 6. The other Long Range I traded to a collector in Alberta for a Ballard 6 1/2 Rigby Offhand.

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No, you're not the only RB fan here! I am a fan of the Sporting Rifles in all sorts of models. Never been a military collector, so have no interest in them other than what I might use to build up a Sporting Rifle. Have a military project here now that will be a pistol gripped .40-65 with 34" Creedmoor barrel.
  

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Reply #23 - Aug 26th, 2017 at 9:15pm
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So, here are a few of mine. This one is a 45-70 engraved by Ken Hurst.
  

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This is a 45-90 engraved by Ken Burkow. Waiting on final finish.
  

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This is an original Remington Muskatoon in 43 Turkish (same as 45 Peabody What Cheer?) Rarer than hens teeth!!!
  

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A modified Remington sporter in 40-70 Sharps Straight. Ya gotta love them rollers, eh Westerner? I'm always looking for more.
  

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Happy to see all these beautiful rollers.  I've got a couple that are shooters and got two roller projects going. 

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I am going to try again hopefully with the smaller size this time.  This is a swedish rolling block I built in 40-70 SBN
  
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I picked up two more Remington Sporting rifles in Denver in May at the CGCA show. One is a very early round top from around 1870-71 with full octagon barrel in .44 Long CF, and the early deep crescent buttplate. The other is a later Sporting Rifle with half octagon barrel in .40-50 SBN.
Guess I need to take some pictures and add them to this thread.
  

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My Creedmoor in 44-77S. I have it shooting the steel swingers out to 300 yards so far with breech seated pp bullets.
  
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Oh so sweet!! And original to boot?

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That is stunning.  My buddy has an original creed more but with a full octagon barrel in 44-100.  It has had a sight attached to the butt stock but now it just has the tang sight.  The serial number is Custers Creedmore + 1.  I would love to know who owned and shot these rifles.  They were very expensive guns at the time and very few were made.  What amazes me about my friends is how light it is for having a 34" barrel and the balance is perfect.
  
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That is stunning.  My buddy has an original creed more but with a full octagon barrel in 44-100.  It has had a sight attached to the butt stock but now it just has the tang sight.  The serial number is Custers Creedmore + 1.  I would love to know who owned and shot these rifles.  They were very expensive guns at the time and very few were made.  What amazes me about my friends is how light it is for having a 34" barrel and the balance is perfect.


Creedmoor rifles had to stay under the maximum 10 lb. limit. All that I've seen were half octagon, or almost full round, as a full octagon exceeded the 10 lb. limit. The barrel would have to be even smaller diameter than a standard Creedmoor to be full octagon and under 10 lbs.
  

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Yes, mine is original. It weighs 10 pounds exactly on my postal scale. I got this one because it was in good enough shape to shoot as well as to look at. It is not all dinged up like some of them and the reddish wood color is beautiful - I will never refinish or change it other than clean it after shooting it. It shoots just fine; there are no pits or rough spots and the bore is like a mirror. The only thing I did was to have Distant Thunder make me a reproduction front sight insert so I can shoot with the insert I like and also not worry about losing the original insert. My wife was remarking how tiny the numbers are on the vernier tang slide - much smaller than on any of the modern reproductions. They all must have had extraordinary eyesight then. This is very addicting; to be able shoot an original with the original BP and pp bullet configuration used in the competitions back in the day.
  
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Nice rifle Fogman.  Have you shot it at 1,000 yards?
  

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My wife was remarking how tiny the numbers are on the vernier tang slide - much smaller than on any of the modern reproductions. They all must have had extraordinary eyesight then. 


The scale on old tang sights is also different than most modern tang sight scales too! I've had to figure out what each mark relates to in altitude change when shooting my guns with original tang sights vs. modern repros.
  

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My two shooters:

RB1 with DZ scope, Shaver sights, Green Mountain .38-55 barrel.

Lone Star #LS 0001, .45-90, Zitka sights, never been D & T'd for scope bases. 

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These two are not nearly as nice as the others have posted, but they are originals. This one is a 1871 Rolling Block Sporter in .44 Long CF. Full octagon 32" heavy barrel.

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This one is a later early 1880's Sporter in .40-50 Sharps, with a half octagon 30" barrel.

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It was probably not D&T for a tang sight when new, and someone D&T it for Stevens 1.5" spacing. So I added a tang sight I had here to make it a better shooter at longer distance.

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"Have you shot it at 1,000 yards?"
No, the range I go to only goes out to 500 yds. I am working on the loads and sight settings to 500 yards. Then I will go to the other range (a lot farther away) and see if it can hit anything at 1000 yards. Hopefully by the end of Oct before winter sets in and the 50 mph x winds come back I can have it out to 1000 yards. That's the goal after loading it like back in the day - then shoot it 1000 yards like back in the day.
  
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Good looking rollers, Vall.  Do you shoot the .44 Long CF?  If you do, what brass do you use to make the .44 Long CF brass?

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Good looking rollers, Vall.  Do you shoot the .44 Long CF?  If you do, what brass do you use to make the .44 Long CF brass?

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I do shoot this caliber in my Ballard George. It takes a bit of work, but I use .44 Magnum cases that I size down, and then turn the rims down. I cast heeled bullets from an old Ideal tong tool I own with a good mold on it.
Haven't slugged the bore on this one yet, or loaded for it, but my Ballard is a pretty typical bore that runs close to .45 caliber. I expect the Remington to also run in that range of groove diameter.
  

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Here's my little baby.
Bought it about ten to twenty years ago off the internet.
No name but I think it must be a customized Uberti in 218 Bee with a Douglas barrel.
Anybody recognize the proof marks?
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Looks like what Uberti called the "Baby Rolling Block". They were based on the #2 action, and chambered for a variety of calibers from .22LR, .22 Magnum, .22 Hornet, etc.
  

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Nice wood.  Does it have a serial # or is the CAT**** # the serial #?  I had a .218 Bee years ago and it was a zinger on crows.
  

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On the left side of the action it says CAT.4367 along with proof marks and on the other side of the action 11497.
On the barrel it says

C&B8 -of DOUGLAS PREM,16T

The  barrel is a 1 in 16 twist.
All been very well done and a nice piece of wood.
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Here is a unique Roller I bought last week.
Built by Verl Sigman in the Gemmer style.
Caliber 32-40. Will see how it shoots next week.
  
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SureShot, That is one good looking roller. Really nice. Dale.
  

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Sureshot, is that the Roller that was for sale on Guns International?
  

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Reply #51 - Sep 9th, 2017 at 11:38am
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Yes it was at the Cabelas store near you.

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Reply #52 - Oct 17th, 2017 at 12:14am
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Lots of fine looking Rolling Blocks here . I have three myself, a couple of old Military ones , .43 Spanish (My first B.P. S.S. ), 50/70 and last week I just got a nice 60's vintage? Numerich, Navy Arms , Pedersoli yes all three names are on the gun,45/70 with a 28"Heavy Octagonal Barrel and a 32" Brass Scope that I have to dial in.  It has the nicest trigger for a R.B. It was a local buy that I couldn't pass up. Should be fun.
  
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Reply #53 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 9:18am
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Hard to beat Powdermans 45-70.  Original sporters in that caliber are rare as hens teeth.
  
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Reply #54 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 11:23am
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Might as well add my hunting rifle - if I ever get a chance to go buffalo hunting! Lonestar reworked 7mm carbine in 50-70. He did some fine work. I finished the stock in red root oil.
  
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Reply #55 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 12:48pm
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Wow! Stunning Rolling Block Chauncey!
  

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Reply #56 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 1:36pm
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That red root oil really brings out the grain.  Looks like an original factory wood finish.  Nice looking roller.

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Reply #57 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 6:32pm
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Where do you get red root oil - I Googled it but what came up doesn't look like what you might have used. I really like the reddish tinge in the old guns. I have an original RB Creedmoor that has that old reddish coloration.
  
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Reply #58 - Nov 6th, 2017 at 7:29pm
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I used a CCL Traditional English Gunstock Oil Finishing Kit. Can't remember where I got the first one but I had a friend in England who lived near the source pick me up a second one and bring it to me when he came over. It looks like now it can't be mailed by Royal Mail so the only source here is The Double Gun Journal (promoted by Ross Seyfried). There is always a 2 page ad. I did get some oil and filler from an English gunsmith once who listed on eBay but he is probably hobbled by Royal Mail now also. I think you can whip up your own if you are willing to wait a couple of months while the alkanet root soaks in the oil.
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Reply #59 - Nov 7th, 2017 at 9:05am
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There was an informative discussion on this website in regards to the red root oil and other gunstock finishes.

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Reply #60 - Nov 7th, 2017 at 9:47am
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Galazan makes a pre '64 Winchester red stain. Not inexpensive at $17 for 3 oz., but a little goes a long way.

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Reply #61 - Nov 7th, 2017 at 5:00pm
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When I was a teen I finished a stock with what my junior high wood shop teacher called "antique varnish". It looked great but I'll be danged if I can remember what was in it. Shellac, varnish, turpentine???? By the way, Zinsser Bulls Eye Amber Shellac is a dead match for original Parker shotgun finish.
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Reply #62 - Nov 10th, 2017 at 5:21pm
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Here's an old Roller that strolled into the pawn shop where my youngest son works. Missing the rear sight, and breechblock spur broken off. But a perfect 11.7 bore, and untouched wood and metal. The shop wanted it gone, so it came home extremely cheap!

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This is the tightest old Rolling Block I've ever worked on! The pins fit so snug in the receiver they need to be tapped in and out with a brass punch.
My plan was to tear it apart as a donor for a project. But it is all matching numbers, and so nice I hated to do so. So instead I dug through parts and found an original barrel sight and installed it.
I made up a spur and took the breechblock and spur to a young welder I know who tig welded the spur on for $10. Dressed it down, and cut some checkering grooves to make t easy to extract. Touched it up with some cold blue and reassembled it.

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My youngest daughter's husband is getting interested in old guns, so this will be his birthday gift next month, so he can play with it, and learn how to reload and make cartridges for it.
  

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