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Rolling Block with 25Lb Bull Barrel ???
Apr 20th, 2017 at 7:04pm
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I was looking for a picture of this rifle ,to get ideas for a future build. I saw the picture some where and I can not find it again.
Here is hoping that some one has the rifle.?
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:10am
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Marcot's book has some good pictures. But unfortunately I don't have my copy right now! Loaned it to my son in law recently, and probably wont see it until he's done drooling over the pictures!
  

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Reply #2 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 8:34pm
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A 25# Roller definitely caught my interest. Looking forward to seeing it.

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Reply #3 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:05pm
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I found the picture and blog on the build. It was Gene Cordner who built this beast.
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 9:47pm
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Holy cow! That barrel is so large it makes the #1 action look like a #4 Rolling Block!! Unusual stock design for a benchrest gun!
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 21st, 2017 at 11:13pm
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My barrel looks the same but it is in 32/40 , I have a swede roller coming in the mail and then I will have to look for wood and a butt plate
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 22nd, 2017 at 10:41am
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Not a big fan of the way the upper tang was bent down. I prefer Remington's version where upper tang stayed straight, and lower was curved to make a pistol grip.
This is one I'm working on presently. A military .43 Spanish that I swapped in a new style Remington Rolling Block lower tang and stock to:

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Reply #7 - Apr 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm
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Thats a nice looking roller what caliber are you going to make that one?
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 22nd, 2017 at 5:03pm
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cdnrokon wrote on Apr 22nd, 2017 at 2:34pm:
Thats a nice looking roller what caliber are you going to make that one?


Well it will be a .40 caliber, as I have a GM 1:16" twist .40 cal. barrel. Either .40-70SS or .40-65 Win., with a 34" #3.5 barrel.
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2017 at 7:25pm
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I have but one question....WHY!
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 22nd, 2017 at 10:16pm
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I have had quite a few single shots over the years ,Ballard,high walls rollers, but nothing ever like this.I wanted something different and was shopping for a big barrel for a percussion build.
I came across this one in 32/40 and I did not want to change it into a percussion barrel.This is why I will build it back into a cartridge rifle . I will garintee that it is the only one in my neck of the woods.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 23rd, 2017 at 7:28pm
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I've seen quite a few single shot target rifles with extremely large barrels. Not as big as that 25 lb. barreled gun you pictured, but probably 15-16 lb. barrels.
I am fascinated by them also, and keep telling myself I want to build up a big heavy bench gun similar to the ones I've seen at some gun shows. I don't want to go so large that the shank has to be offset to work though.
  

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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm
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Barry Darr built a 32-40 with a 3 inch diameter barrel and it was up for sale a few years back but someone bored out the barrel and it ended up being a 40 cal if memory serves right and they completely destroyed its collector value. I believe Bud Welch was the one who found the need to ruin it.

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Reply #13 - Apr 23rd, 2017 at 9:02pm
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J Louis wrote on Apr 23rd, 2017 at 8:13pm:
Barry Darr built a 32-40 with a 3 inch diameter barrel and it was up for sale a few years back but someone bored out the barrel and it ended up being a 40 cal if memory serves right and they completely destroyed its collector value. I believe Bud Welch was the one who found the need to ruin it.

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That's an absolute shame! Always hoped to own a B. Darr barreled gun some day! Without his bore it would be worthless to me!
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 23rd, 2017 at 9:27pm
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I have a B.W.Darr barrel on an old English Martini action. It is a 32-40 and it is a jewel.
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 23rd, 2017 at 9:38pm
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Long Range Barry is a very close and dear friend and he is on this site. If you send him a PM he still has his records and he can look up your barrel for you. He goes under old7groove and it might be something you would like to have to keep with your rifle.

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Reply #16 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 9:12am
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John, are you sure Barry Darr goes as "old7groove" on here? The last time he answered a question on this forum he answered it under the name "7groove "
There is a person who goes by "old7groove", and I sent him a question eons ago about Darr barrels and never got a response. If both are Barry, then he isn't responding to any PM on the "old7groove" name.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 11:04am
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Vall he just recently responded to his Low Wall that was pictured as being a 32-40 in another post actually being a 28-30 using old7groove.
I believe he was shooting the 3 day San Diego ISSA Regional over the weekend so it might take sometime for him see his PM's and to respond.

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Reply #18 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 11:18am
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The largest barrel I made was a 32-40 four inch diameter, 30 inches long weighing 105 lbs. fitted to a FBW action, the completed rifle tipped the scales at 115 lbs. Problem with a barrel of this size and weight is the inability to quickly hold off for conditions. I later milled the barrel to 3.625 octagon before selling it to someone who just couldn't live without it. It was later rebored to 45-70 by another barrelmaker.

Val - let me know what questions you may have of my barrels.
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Reply #19 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 11:45am
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Thanks Barry! PM sent!
  

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Reply #20 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 12:22pm
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Who is making big barrels like this ? Ie where can I get one ?
  
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Reply #21 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 1:36pm
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RKS, Ron Smith, will make any size you like, within reason.

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Reply #22 - Apr 24th, 2017 at 8:35pm
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Zack T wrote on Apr 24th, 2017 at 12:22pm:
Who is making big barrels like this ? Ie where can I get one ?


Shiloh makes 25lb barrels, but you will likely have to buy the whole rifle to get one  Smiley

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Reply #23 - Apr 29th, 2017 at 12:14pm
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I have some experience with heavy bench guns. Think you will start to get tired of it when the guy next to you beats you with his ten pound Hepburn or Ballard or.......
Heavy rifles are cumbersome and much care has to be taken when moving them about. Scopes, sights and parts can get mooshed real easy. Just a light bump can cause much damage.  I like the heavy rolling blocks in Marcots book. None of them have twenty five pound barrels, I don't think.

That Gordner rifle in this thread is one awful looking mess.   Gene normally does great work.  Obviously he'll do whatever someone wants.


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Reply #24 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 5:06pm
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  "That Gordner rifle in this thread is one awful looking mess."
  I agree. Be aware that current ASSRA rules allow barrells no more than 2" in diameter or across the flats.
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Reply #25 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 6:00pm
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Jeff does that also hold true fore those not considered to meet the Traditional rules. The reason I ask is I can't remember the size of 40 Rod's Big Dog rifle barrel and I am just to damn lazy to go and look.

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Reply #26 - Apr 30th, 2017 at 7:09pm
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"I am just to damn lazy to go and look."
  Yeah, me too.
  

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Reply #27 - May 6th, 2017 at 10:32pm
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John built the "Big Dog" to be "legal" for ASSRA competition. But whether he was attempting to meet the "traditional" classification standards or not I don't recall---it might have been in a .32 short variation.
Corky Taylor also built a heavy bench SS for ASSRA competition. I don't know if he ever completely finished it before he moved to FL, some years back. I think he had it at the range the last time I saw him there, but was still working on load development.
  As I recall it was built in a wildcat cartridge a 44 mag tapered down to 357.  sort of like a 38 cal version of a 32 Miller Short.
  

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Reply #28 - May 7th, 2017 at 7:13am
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Bought this as a reciever, and barrel about 5 years ago. It is a #3 in 45-70.
Ed larralde put the reciever and barrel together, barry darr did the rifleing.
This is a very heay rifle have never wieghed it.
Shoots extremely well with duplex loads.
  
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Reply #29 - May 24th, 2017 at 7:58pm
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QuestionableMaynard8130 wrote on May 6th, 2017 at 10:32pm:
John built the "Big Dog" to be "legal" for ASSRA competition. But whether he was attempting to meet the "traditional" classification standards or not I don't recall---it might have been in a .32 short variation.
Corky Taylor also built a heavy bench SS for ASSRA competition. I don't know if he ever completely finished it before he moved to FL, some years back. I think he had it at the range the last time I saw him there, but was still working on load development.
  As I recall it was built in a wildcat cartridge a 44 mag tapered down to 357.  sort of like a 38 cal version of a 32 Miller Short. 


Johns rifle was built before traditional rules were adopted.


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