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May 17th, 2017 at 10:25pm
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please help me understand what I am looking at here. mainly the stock configuration.
  
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Reply #1 - May 18th, 2017 at 9:18pm
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Can't believe someone more knowledgeable the me has not responded.   My expertise says it  sure is pretty.

  According to Rowe's book,    The forearm is a high grade forearm  used on  B and C grades.  The shotgun buttstock  looks like short & midrange ( short range Creedmore) rifle.

The double set triggers, imho,  would be more consistent with an off hand rifle

What is the sight under the tape?  What caliber and  do the numbers on the stock, forearm , etc  match? What  is sticking out behind the trigger guard?

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Reply #2 - May 18th, 2017 at 10:14pm
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rifle is in an auction this summer. the only additional info is that it is a .40 2 1/2. I too without rowe's book am at a loss. stocks seem "creedmoor like" triggers seem more offhand rifle like. if the numbers match maybe it was someone's idea of the ultimate bench gun ?
  
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Reply #3 - May 23rd, 2017 at 4:28pm
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It appears to be a Midrange Creedmoor rifle, but with special order double set triggers. Since Creedmoor rifles had to have single triggers, it would not be legal for that, but it's a Hepburn, so they were too late for Creedmoor matches anyway.
It's also a pretty late Hepburn with that style forearm tip.
  

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Reply #4 - May 23rd, 2017 at 5:31pm
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thanks. I am a little weak on hepburns, I have only owned 1 and it wasn't anything like this.
  
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Reply #5 - May 23rd, 2017 at 6:13pm
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scharfe wrote on May 23rd, 2017 at 5:31pm:
thanks. I am a little weak on hepburns, I have only owned 1 and it wasn't anything like this.


Hope you win it! That style buttplate is much more comfortable than the standard buttplate! The std. plate hurts with anything slightly warm.
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 7:35am
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while the great creedmoor matches ended early, the long range style (800,900, 1nd 1000yds) continued until 1912.
the creedmoor range was long gone by this time.
sea girt was one of the last ranges where this happened.
the long range any rifle had to be under 10 lb with a single trigger no less than 3 lb i think.
not sure of mid range rifles.
the hepburn could have been used .
the 40 2 1/2 was a popular mid range chambering in many brands of rifle.
the rem loading was often referred to as the 40/65 rem, and loaded as described.
trajectories of American hunting rifles, open library describes such a rifle being tested, and it was shot dirty.
should you get this rifle, and its chamber be an original pp one, please do not destroy history by rechambering it to take greasers.
I have measured a chamber cast from an original Hepburn 40 2 1/2, and a groove diameter bullet would not chamber in fixed ammo.
it also had a 4 degree transition angle.
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Reply #7 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 9:52am
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thanks all ! bruce especially.
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 10:23am
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bruce moulds wrote on Jun 6th, 2017 at 7:35am:
I have measured a chamber cast from an original Hepburn 40 2 1/2, and a groove diameter bullet would not chamber in fixed ammo.

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Have observed the same in several BP rifles, and read that use of an "undersized" (relative to groove dia.) bullet guaranteed reliable chambering even in a fouled chamber; when fired, the bullet was supposed to "bump up" to fit the grooves.  When shooting smokeless, such a bullet-fit mismatch obviously presents difficulties, and I had planned to have a Ballard I once owned rechambered like you warned against doing; but like a thousand other projects, I never got around to having it done. 
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 6th, 2017 at 10:38pm
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redsetter,
please don't be a heathen vandal.
doing so would be paramout to supping with the devil.
just learn to shoot bp and pp like it was designed to do.
failing that replace the barrel and keep the old one.
we are merely the custodians of these rifles, and they deserve better than to be butchered biy infidels.
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Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 2:13pm
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Sold for $1400  + ~20%+ shipping and taxes if applicable.   Hope it is going to a good home.
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 2:45pm
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Not a bad price on either end of the transaction. Will be a nice hunting rifle, but the original twist will likely be too slow. "Might" stabilize a 400gr bullet, which would be enough.
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 3:08pm
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I wonder what that brass looking addition is on the barrel in the front sight dovetail area? Maybe some adapter to allow a owner to put a 3/8" dovetail sight in there? Or a scope mount, muzzle rest????
Guessing whatever it was, it kept the price down for bidders.
  

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Reply #13 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 4:20pm
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I think that was tape  holding the sight on,  RIA  said it was missing a spring  and had the wrong screw in the tang.  Hopefully it looked better than the description, but overall description was "poor.... metal  deeply pitted...."    I'm sure it will look good  when redone,  or we'll see parts on ebay
  

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Re: remington hepburn help needed
Reply #14 - Jun 23rd, 2017 at 6:48pm
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The "OG" code rating on condition is not specific. It doesn't necessarily have all those things wrong with it or I'm sure RIA wouldn't bother with it.
I think this rifle rated such as it needs a screw, a rear sight elevator, and whatever problem the front sight has.
It's no beauty, but onsite bidders had a good look and more than one thought it has some value.
Interesting configuration.
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