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Reply #30 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:33pm
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Sold for $1400  + ~20%+ shipping and taxes if applicable.   Hope it is going to a good home

I hope so too, I bought it and it arrived today.
It seems to be an honest midrange Creedmoor, according to what I read in Rowes book.
The barrel, receiver (actually lower tang) forearm and buttstock all match, SN# 5086.
The forearm has a hard rubber tip and the buttplate is also hard rubber, which is correct according to Rowe.
If it was just a shotgun butt, the plate would be metal, Rowe says.
The caliber is marked correctly for a Midrange Creedmoor, 40 x 2 1/2
The wood cleaned up very well, the checkering if fairly smooth though. The buttplate is un-marred.
The trigger return spring was installed on top of, instead of underneath the main spring. (see Pic).
The screw is too long and undersized, but when I assembled it "correctly" it holds. Luckily, the tang hole seems to have good threads and should be ok with the right screw.
The front sight dovetail is butchered, looks like Farkenparker cut it lower to try to make an unknown object that looks like a sight base with a 3/8" dovetail fit. (pics of dovetail and object)
The finish on the rifle isn't as bad as it looks in the zoomed pic.
If you know what that object is, please post.
He also put a 3/8" dovetail in the barrel for what looks like a pre-64 Win 70 rear sight, missing elevator.
Took off the forearm, Parkenfarker kluged a kind of leaf spring to substitute for the missing lever spring.
Pic below of the markings, Rowe says the V&W mean vernier and windgage sights, which is also correct for a Midrange Creedmoor B grade.
I don't know what the S.T. means, but he other markings are the rub.
The barrel has been re-rifled, probably by EKT & Co, maybe it's 41.
The shiny beautiful rifling is a clone of Pope, left hand, narrow grooves, ETC. I'll try to get a pic. The twist is very slow, round ball slow.
More later, Aaron
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Reply #31 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 7:42pm
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Rowe says 50 -100 Midrange Creedmores were made, he's heard of 20.
None of the ones in his book are full octagon or DST, so this one is rare and perhaps unique.
I can fix it ok, but should I reline? Or reline and re-finish?
Have to give this some thought. With all it's problems, I'm still very happy to have such a rare gun.
poor pics of rifling below.
Aaron
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Reply #32 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 8:22pm
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Re-Barrel it and set the original barrel aside one could never get another original to the rifle and it might add some future value to the rifle or at a minimum keep it all original it not already having been screwed with. If so no future harm can be done by your choice so then go for what ever your heart might desire.

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Reply #33 - Jul 27th, 2017 at 9:03pm
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Interesting old Hepburn Aaron! I'd use a mill to open up the dovetail a little larger to clean up Bubba's work, and then either fill it and cut a common 3/8" dovetail into the filler. Or make a filler that sits into the newly cleaned up dovetail, and above the top barrel flat, with a 3/8" dovetail in it. I have one of these I found at a gun show to go from a .467" dovetail to a 3/8" dovetail.
The previous method I mentioned is what I did to my Rolling Block that Bubba cut with a hacksaw to a nearly 3/4" dovetail!
Here's a picture of the repaired Bubba'd front dovetail:
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I personally wouldn't change the barrel too quickly, as I'd want to see if I could find out who "EKT & Co." might be? Provenance of these old guns is important, even as changed, if it's done long ago.
I'd start with the book, "American Gunsmiths" and look for gunsmiths with names ending in "T" and the initials EK or names starting in E with middle initial K.  Might help narrow the search, and then find out those who did reboring later than the Hepburn's birth date.
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Reply #34 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 7:21am
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Congrats Aaron,  After hearing your assessment of it I wish I had stayed in the bidding.  Look forward to seeing some Class II scores posted with it.   

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Reply #35 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 7:59am
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Thanks guys,
I ordered a copy of American Gunsmiths.
I sure do miss having machine tools, but transporting a Bridgeport from Connecticut just wasn't possible. I'll find someone competent in Florida I hope. Shoulda bought a bigger house.
I tried to measure the rifling with a dial verniers last night, .405 lands and .430 grooves, (measured from muzzle) does that seem possible?
I'll find a .429 (44 cal) pistol bullet and slug it through. A piece of 40-60 Maynard brass won't quite chamber.
  

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Reply #36 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 11:00am
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I had a bad experience when slugging a bore decades ago using bullets Aaron. Since then I only slug them using pure lead muzzleloader balls. A box is pretty cheap, and once I slug a bore the ball goes back in the box to use in a smaller bore later. Once I use it on something like a .32-40, then it goes in my lead pot to melt down.
The soft lead balls are very easy to slug bores with. I place them on the muzzle and tap them down with a brass hammer. Once they start in a bit, I use a brass punch to get them the rest the way into the bore. Then just tap them out with a cleaning rod and measure.
  

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Reply #37 - Jul 28th, 2017 at 2:01pm
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Thanks Vall,
I have some round balls from a Ruger Old Army, I'll use those if I can find them.
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Reply #38 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 3:24pm
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Looks like the E.K.T. &Co might be Edward K Tryon Jr., pretty famous gunsmith family, and later retailers.
My info is sketchy as to when the stopped the gunmaking and just did retail and marketing, I have a book coming from Cornell that might help.
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Reply #39 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 6:49pm
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That's great Aaron!
  

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Reply #40 - Sep 7th, 2017 at 11:17am
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Rebel wrote on Jul 28th, 2017 at 7:59am:
Thanks guys,
I sure do miss having machine tools, but transporting a Bridgeport from Connecticut just wasn't possible. I'll find someone competent in Florida I hope.
I tried to measure the rifling with a dial verniers last night, .405 lands and .430 grooves, (measured from muzzle) does that seem possible?
I'll find a .429 (44 cal) pistol bullet and slug it through. A piece of 40-60 Maynard brass won't quite chamber.

Get in touch with Tom Klinger, who posts here infrequently. He is outside of Orlando and can likely help, even if only to put you in touch with a good gunsmith/machinist in FL. Great looking Hepburn.
  

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