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Reply #15 - Jun 3rd, 2017 at 9:01pm
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slumlord44 wrote on Jun 3rd, 2017 at 8:59pm:
Never saw one with a brass frame and the research I have done says the frames were cast iron to the best of my recolection so i'm not sure what it is.


Think Grant may have mentioned a brass frame, but no idea which volume.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 3rd, 2017 at 10:34pm
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If the seller could be persuaded add a close-up photo of the butt of the stock with the buttplate removed, we'd know a lot more.  Assuming, of course, that the buttstock is deemed original and that the seller truly wants to substantiate his story.

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Not the original pat. documents, except the drawing, and that is so poorly reproduced that it's illegible.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 1:30am
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The Google Patent came up clear for me, pictures and text, a few years ago.  They've done something to their Search function since, and it isn't as straightforward as it used to be.  Also, even back when I was collecting patents, it appeared that they scanned in the pages by the bale, and some of the words got corrupted in the search index.  Looking for "Browning" under "Inventor" wouldn't get you a great number of hits, because a lot of the words would get into the Inventor search indexes as "Beawning" or something similar.  Putting "Browning" into every category would get you much more, because the word wouldn't have been corrupted throughout the patent application.

I would imagine the ASSRA Archives would have The Gun Report, for anybody who wants a copy of the article.

Horr lived in Chicopee Falls, MA.  He may or may not have worked for Stevens, and may have shopped his idea to them rather than assigning it to them at the beginning.
  
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Reply #20 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:42am
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Recent searches I've done on Google Patent took a lot longer to ferret through than they used to for me! It's still better than other options, but not what it used to be!
  

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Reply #21 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:44am
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Bent_Ramrod wrote on Jun 4th, 2017 at 1:30am:
The Google Patent came up clear for me, pictures and text, a few years ago.  They've done something to their Search function since, and it isn't as straightforward as it used to be...


That's putting it mildly.  Furthermore, I'm not interested in trying to make sense of an error-packed transcription of the original document, I want to SEE the original document, as I've done previously on the US Pat. Office website here:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

But, plugging the # into the above search box produces nothing but a blank page.  Shouldn't be ANY problem if you have the correct pat. no., as there often is if the only data you have is a date or name.
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:48am
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:42am:
Recent searches I've done on Google Patent took a lot longer to ferret through than they used to for me! It's still better than other options, but not what it used to be!


Well, other than confirming that the patent exists, what's the good of an illegible drawing and a corrupted text? 
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 2:12pm
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thank you. as always I learned a lot again from all of you.
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 2:48pm
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Redsetter wrote on Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:48am:
marlinguy wrote on Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:42am:
Recent searches I've done on Google Patent took a lot longer to ferret through than they used to for me! It's still better than other options, but not what it used to be!


Well, other than confirming that the patent exists, what's the good of an illegible drawing and a corrupted text? 


There is no good if that's the case for you. I don't get that myself. I recently looked up HM Pope's 1888 patent for his takedown system and had no issues reading the patent application or the patent drawing. Only problem I had was the drawing was too tiny to see details, so I had to enlarge it pretty big to see it well.
What I did note was a ton of misspelled words, like "H M Porn" instead of "H M Pope". Or "brech seating rifles". But I could get the gist without learning a new language.

But I also discovered if I click on "view the PDF file" it comes out perfect, as it's a copy of the original patent application, and in very nice shape!
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Reply #25 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 4:54pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jun 4th, 2017 at 2:48pm:
But I also discovered if I click on "view the PDF file" it comes out perfect, as it's a copy of the original patent application, and in very nice shape!


THAT is what I failed to do!  But when I did, it was shown in full exactly as I was expecting.  Much obliged for the tutorial.
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 5:28pm
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In the 1885 Springfield, Massachusetts City Directory, Otis W. Horr is listed as "emp J S & Co".  He is listed as an employee of J. Stevens Co. or J. S. A & T. Co in its several forms for every Springfield City Directory between 1873 and 1894.  After that, he may have retired (b. 1828) or otherwise left Stevens, because he is listed as a mechanic.  His home address is the same for all that time.

That should take Bullard out of the picture.

Modified.  Horr's marriage certificate lists his birth day as Oct. 7, 1828.  He died on Nov. 23, 1900. In the 1900 US Census, he was listed as a "gun stocker".
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Reply #27 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 6:14pm
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wow !!! this is like watching CSI-SS rifles. I thought the Mounties were the ones who always find their man.
  
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Reply #28 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 8:36pm
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This thread, and the discussion is what I really love about the ASSRA forum! The knowledge base and help that is freely given is always a treat! I've been assisted by members here often when I was stumped on an oddball gun, and couldn't track down some history. Only to ask a question here, and gotten the answer I sought, or a lead that helped me know where to look!
Thanks for that information Waterman! Once again you've come through!
  

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Reply #29 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 10:22pm
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and as long as I keep asking questions about things I read 25 years ago and have forgotten and then gave all of my books and magazines away.
  
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