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Saeco mold problem
Jun 12th, 2017 at 6:10pm
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Just received a new Saeco .38 X 225 gr tapered bullet mold from a large retailer. Bullets measure .382 at the base and .376 at the top band.  Anyone using the mold? If so what diameters are you getting?

New mold is completely useless to me.


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Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 8:31pm
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All my most accurate molds cast a tapered bullet. Were designed that way. Is your Saeco? They are owned by Redding, so if there is any problem they'll take good care of you. Give them a call and ask.
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 9:41pm
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Might be perfect for a Uberti or any original .379 barrel.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 12th, 2017 at 9:48pm
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Yes, as I said it is the Saeco .38 tapered 225 gr mold. I assumed that since all my Saeco tapered .38 molds cast about .377, this one would too. Sent a email to the retailer about returning it and also sent an email to Redding explaining the problem. Asked if they could provide the correct size mold. Was hoping to spend the week testing loads.  By the time I size it down to .377 it will be a straight bullet.  Total waste of time. Thinking the older molds of this type are .377 at the base and .367 at the top. The retailer offers a sizing die for the bullet. Should have suspected something.


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Reply #4 - Jun 13th, 2017 at 2:09pm
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The skinny.

If you go to Midway USA Saeco mold 638 pages, you will find a large diameter warning on the two cavity page but not on the single cavity page. Talked to Don Parker at Redding. Don says the 638 mold is only available in the large size for older .38 barrels.

The Midway USA warning says bullets can be as large as .3845.

Technical Information:

Material: Special copper alloyed pearlitic cast iron mold blocks
Cavities: 2-Cavity
Features: Steel Sprue Plate
Common Sizer Die Diameter: This mold casts a bullet typically referred to as a bore-riding bullet. The bullet this mold casts is designed to be shot as cast, not sized. The diameter of the mold cavity (Important: Not the cast bullet.) is .3845 at the base driving band and .378 and the front driving band. This will cast a bullet compatable with barrels having a .378 to .379 groove diameter. Bullets from this mold may not function well in Ruger #1 and Winchester Model 94 rifles with a modern groove specification of .375.


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Reply #5 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 12:03am
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The little 225 gr Saeco mold served me well this summer.  No problem seating the .382 bullet into a .377 bore. The short length eases breech seating. My statement that the mold is completely useless was wrong. 

Wound up using 17gr IMR 4227.  Bullet held up fine in the wind and did not leave my shoulder bruised.  My highest score was 216. Was able to call the shots. Used it at Glasgow where the wind was whistling.

Going to try it in another rifle.


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Reply #6 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:34pm
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36gr Swiss #3 .060 Walters VF wad fixed shoots extremely well with very light recoil.

          


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Reply #7 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:19am
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This may shoch newer shooters but the Traditional groove diameter for a 38 rifle barrel is .380" not .375"

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Reply #8 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 12:45pm
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Joe,
Thanks for the update and the humility, very good form. 
I'm going to order one and give it a go.
Thanks,
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Reply #9 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:09pm
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I was upset with the retailers failure to warn on the single cavity mold. Would much rather have a bullet that fits my barrel.  Pays to read all the details. From now on I buy from Graf and Sons


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Reply #10 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 11:28am
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Joe;
A friend had the same problem, oversize, with a 40 cal 640 mold direct from Redding. Took three swaps I think, back and forth on molds to get it right.  Doesn't say much about their quality control. 
Oh ya, they said much the same thing as the 'warning' mentioned. 
Doesn't help a guy much looking for a particular advertised dia.???

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Reply #11 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 12:34pm
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Has anyone ever had a perfect mold?
Even the best bullets are usually slightly out of round or off diameter.
Want them just a little over to be sized to the exact diameter for your barrel and alloy.
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Reply #13 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:30pm
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"Has anyone ever had a perfect mold?
Even the best bullets are usually slightly out of round or off diameter."

I've had very good results with my Saeco molds (using in modern barrels) and nothing but trouble with the three Brooks molds that I have. Two of the Brooks molds are .40 cal and one is a .38.
  
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Re: Saeco mold problem
Reply #14 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 3:52pm
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Resizing bullets is an effective marketing ploy. Make oversize bullet molds then sell sizing presses and sizing dies.  I prefer to use correct size molds and bullets.  At the extreme, say your groove diameter is .375, size a Saeco .384 tapered bullet down to .375. What do you have? A mangled cylindrical bullet?

Nothing is absolutely perfect but we can get real close.  If you shoot prefect scores, is that close enough to perfect?


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