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Reply #15 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:20pm
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frnkeore- Wally's method was really quite simple, used to compare resolution only. It involved only tacking the front page of a newspaper to a target frame at a given distance and comparing the smallest print discernible. Two to three hundred yards seemed to separate the men from the boys.. simple but effective. best regards Krag
  

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Reply #16 - Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:38pm
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marlinguy- snooping around, found a scope that appears to be identical to yours, sans the hard to find tripod. It sold, but was listed on EBTH auctions. Thought you might be interested. Krag
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 22nd, 2017 at 1:23am
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rkba2nd wrote on Jun 21st, 2017 at 5:38pm:
marlinguy- snooping around, found a scope that appears to be identical to yours, sans the hard to find tripod. It sold, but was listed on EBTH auctions. Thought you might be interested. Krag


Not familiar with "EBTH" auctions? Who are they?
Nevermind. Google search found them, but not the scope.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 23rd, 2017 at 7:18pm
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Looks like a Bardou and Son Rifle Range telescope.  I have one.  Decent optics, get's a lot of comments. 

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Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:22am
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If you have no other place to spend your money .... Wink

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Some really kool optical targets.

The nice ones are chrome on glass then etched with lines at known separations.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:46am
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I want that last one, for $32 and guaranteed to fine bullet holes at 1000 yards Smiley

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Reply #21 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 12:50pm
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frnkeore wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:46am:
I want that last one, for $32 and guaranteed to fine bullet holes at 1000 yards Smiley

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Wonder what they mean by "a bullet mark"? I'd be surprised if it would show a hole in paper, but if shooting at steel it could easily show a "bullet mark" from the splatter at impact.
I took my old scope to our summer long range shoot and set it up on a table to view the 990 yd. dinger, and I could see bullet impact marks with it.
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 1:41pm
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Probably a spotters indication.  I doubt wrought iron would make a very durable target and steel was still very expensive.
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 5:42am
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we must remember how things were done in the day.
yes good optics would show a bullet splash on a steel target on a clear day. here in oz in bad mirage it is often difficult to see a spotting disc at 1000 yds on the modern paper target.
tall tripods would have been de rigeur.
there was no string shooting in any rifle events up until 1912 when black powder rifles were concerned.
shooters took turn for their shots as with muzzle loaders.
in fact some were still muzzle loading breech loaders quite late, and breech seating was more prominent then fixed ammo.
wiping was done with up to 5 rods for different purposes, and barrels were often oiled and wiped dry after normal wiping.
this was not practical in the prone position, or the more common supine.
you checked your target while wiping and/or breech seating, standing up.
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Reply #24 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 11:50am
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Great history Bruce, but when you checked, or how often you checked wouldn't change whether you can see it or not. From what I've read, all shooting back then was done on paper targets, and each shooter shooting at an individual target. So you wouldn't have to worry about whose shot it was on your target, unless the fella next to you cross shot at your target.
But I still can't imagine under perfect conditions, seeing holes in paper at the 1,000 yd. distance. Standing behind a telescope, or any position wouldn't change that. I wonder if they had spotters downrange that signaled the hits, and the people with spotting scopes at the line were using them to see the spotter's signal?
  

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Reply #25 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 3:48pm
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I do not remember seeing a .45  bullet hole in a target at even 500 or 600 yards and we have lots of bright days without mirage. 

I even tried setting up a white backer to the side of an aiming point but couldn't spot the shots in the white paper at 500.
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Reply #26 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 4:57pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 3:48pm:
I do not remember seeing a .45  bullet hole in a target at even 500 or 600 yards and we have lots of bright days without mirage. 

I even tried setting up a white backer to the side of an Simi g point but couldn't spot the shots in the white paper at 500.


Same here, so I'm guessing they were looking for  spotter to tell them the location, vs. a bullet hole.
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:02pm
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here in oz you mostly can't see bullet holes at 300 with a good scope.
in the day at creedmoor ranges at least, a guy hid in a pit with a steel lid, beneath the steel target.
prearranged signals allowed him to come out, mark the shot and score, and take cover again. next shot fired again after a prearranged signal.
on going to canvas targets this system continued. possibly why this is still referred to as "pit duty".
the canvas target was patched out using paper covered with glue made from flour an water. this built up in thickness strengthening the target like paper machet.
the man in the pit was called a "marker".
good scopes were used to see the fall of shot and score.
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Reply #28 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm
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I used to shoot at a range that had long range days during the week when most of the guys are working.  300 one week and 500 the next.  The few times I was alone at 300, I believe I was able to spot at least some shots with my Kowa but I really can"t remember for sure.  Spotting .22 at 200 can be difficult on a black target.  I'm sure 300 is the practical limit for .45 holes with a spotting scope.
  

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Reply #29 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 10:05pm
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where a lower tripod would have been useful to a creedmoor shooter is when they were about to shoot.
a last look at the mirage can be critical in making a windage adjustment.
of course as well as "any rifle", there were also military events.
these were shot prone on the belly, and some events would have required a scope.
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