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Remington RB 43 Spanish
Jun 25th, 2017 at 2:22pm
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I just purchased a 90% Remington RB in 43 Spanish.  The bore and blueing are perfect and the stock only has a very few handling dents.  No rust.  It actually looks unfired.  Last patent date is 1874.  The barrel starts octagon and rear sight in just in front of the chamber  Paid $800. 

Wondering if I got a bargain or stung.

Also any information on this guns.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 2:29pm
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Most of these were arsenal refinished whether they needed it or not - most, probably not. I had one and paid about the same. Mine - and maybe most - had a long throat. I had Bernie Rowles of Old West Bullet Molds in Colorado make me a custom mold for it that best suited the chamber/throat.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 3:49pm
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Travelor wrote on Jun 25th, 2017 at 2:22pm:
Paid $800. 

Wondering if I got a bargain or stung.



Well, I paid about $30 for the one I bought around 1960 from (I think) Navy Arms, except that it was 100% arsenal refinished.  One minor problem: absolutely no ammo or brass was available then!

I guess it's safe to say times have changed.

  
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Reply #3 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 3:54pm
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That $800 is about the going price for them, I think.   I got several from Ye Olde Hunter in Alexandria VA about then.   Remington BP ammo was $1 for a box of 25.

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Reply #4 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 4:18pm
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I might add that I got $800 in trade in from a dealer who knows them a couple of years ago and that back in the 60s I had several of the $50 Spanish made rolling blocks. They were not in the same league as the 1879 Remingtons. Oh, I just looked at Bernie's catalog and I think he has the custom mould for the 1879 listed as .441 440 grain. The nose is long and fat to contact the rifling while the bullet is still in the brass.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 5:51pm
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Seeing them in good shape is not unusual, as others have mentioned, they're often arsenal refinished. But I notice that every one I see refinished is completely blued, where I believe they were casehardened receivers originally.
I got lucky and bought one about 5 years ago for $175 at a local gun show. Before I got it home my traveling partner talked me out of it for "double your money", so he still has it. At least it's in good hands.
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 6:54pm
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I paid $14.95 for mine in 1961 at Ye Old Hunter in Alexandria, Virginia.  Ye Ole Hunter was upstairs; Potomac Arms downstairs.  They were right on the Potomac and often we stood on the balcony watching Kennedy's boat go by.  Ammo was $5.00/100 and only about 10% misfires.  The rifle got away from me a long time ago, but that was the rifle I learned reloading with using a Lyman 310 tool.  Sometimes I think I should go back to my roots and get another one.

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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 7:14pm
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As others have stated, if the action is blued, then it's one of the refinished ones. If the markings on the action are still nice and sharp instead of polished nearly to oblivion, then yours is nicer than the usual run of the mill ones and price is decent.  If yours still has a color casehardened receiver and niter blued hammer and breechblock, that's original finish, and you did REAL GOOD!!  Wink
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 8:54pm
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George Babits wrote on Jun 25th, 2017 at 6:54pm:
I paid $14.95 for mine in 1961 at Ye Old Hunter in Alexandria, Virginia...
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Maybe that's where I bought mine, too, for I remember always perusing carefully their ads.  Of course, I'd have had to also pay shipping.  But I would have sworn ammo was unavailable, and if it was, I can't understand why I failed to order some along with the rifle.
  
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Re: Remington RB 43 Spanish
Reply #9 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 11:02pm
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I got mine from Don Muno who with his brother had the largest collection of Rolling Blocks in the US.  Their father worked for Remington.  Paid $700 for a complete factory rehab ...
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Plus have 100 Connecticut Cartridge Co 43 Spanish headstamp cartridges that I use to reload from using the NEI 439186-370 bullet ... 72gr FFg and 5gr 4759
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Reply #10 - Jun 25th, 2017 at 11:31pm
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Got one in a collection that I bought in 2001, thought I was lucky to unload it a year later for a hundred bucks.  No ammo then.
Bought a 73 Winchester from Ye Old Hunter for $19.95 in about 1958.  Supposed to be a SRC, but was a 20 inch octagon 44.  I cussed him for 30 years, too poor to pay the freight to send it back.  Shot a buck with it anyway and a few varmits.  Then one day I discovered that it was a sporting carbine.  Finally got even with that old crook.  Occasionally things just work out.
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Reply #11 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 7:54am
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Thank you all for your comments and information.  One question I do have concerns the stamping "Modello Argentino. 1879 E.N." stamped on the rear of the barrel shown above and on the link you so kingly gave me.  Mine does not have the above marking on the rear of the barrel or the witness marks at the barrel/receiver junction, but otherwise appears identical including the B stamped on the side of the barrel. Also, mine has the case hardening lightly showing through the blueing on the receiver (not that makes a difference).

Were some Argentine RB's not stamped?
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Reply #12 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 8:50am
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Since the above post I found the following very informative

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Reply #13 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 1:13pm
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Were some Argentine RB's not stamped?

All contract rifles to Argentina were stamped.
Remington military contracts were sold to many countries with or without markings.  This rifle is the Argentine military contract - Modelo Argentino 1879 E.N. (Ejercito Nacional, i.e. National Army) Other Argentine's were marked Modelo Argentino 1879 E.P. (National Police)
When the 1902 RRB 7mm Mauser rifles were designed, Argentina shipped all their 43 Spanish back and contracted for the 1902's
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 1:26pm
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wow that was a heck of a read.    Shocked
  

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Reply #15 - Jun 26th, 2017 at 9:19pm
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Many of the Argentine Remington rolling blocks that were "factory reconditioned" had the Argentine markings ground off during the bluing process.  I think the short octagonal section over the chamber is the identifier.  I seem to remember that the one I got from Ye Ole Hunter back in 1960 or 61 did not have the "Model Argentine" marking on the top flat of the octagonal section, but that is what it was.

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Reply #16 - Jul 16th, 2017 at 11:29pm
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Those rifles which were stamped 1879 etc and then had the top flat ground to remove the stamping will have a top flat that is wider than the two adjacent flats.  What is sometimes missed is that Remington advertised the military rifles for sale to the general public on an individual basis. Those rifles would not have been stamped with the Argentine contract information.  I have measured unmarked 1879s and found some without any evidence of having been ground. On the other hand the rifles sold direct from the factory would have color cased receivers, which raises the question, how did unmarked 1879 style rifles end up arsenal recondition with all blued metal.
  
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Re: Remington RB 43 Spanish
Reply #17 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:26am
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Shot the gun yesterday at 100 yards with 11 gr of Unique and the Lyman 370 gr bullet. 

The trigger pull is something you would have to try to believe it - I have read that it is normally in the 15 lb range and mine is ever bit of that or more.  Anyone been able to get the pull lower and if so, what do you do?

Second concerns the POA vs the POI.  Mine is shooting about 12" high at 100 yards.  I have read and also experienced European military rifles with this same "condition.  IIRC, I believe the battle sights were set up this way and the soldiers were told to aim at the belt line.  Any experience with getting the rifle to shoot closer to POA?
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 10:21am
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rb-kenn sells a spring kit that will reduce the trigger pull.

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A taller front sight will lower the POI.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 12:08pm
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Travelor wrote on Jul 21st, 2017 at 9:26am:
Shot the gun yesterday at 100 yards with 11 gr of Unique and the Lyman 370 gr bullet. 

The trigger pull is something you would have to try to believe it - I have read that it is normally in the 15 lb range and mine is ever bit of that or more.  Anyone been able to get the pull lower and if so, what do you do?

Second concerns the POA vs the POI.  Mine is shooting about 12" high at 100 yards.  I have read and also experienced European military rifles with this same "condition.  IIRC, I believe the battle sights were set up this way and the soldiers were told to aim at the belt line.  Any experience with getting the rifle to shoot closer to POA?


ssdave makes piano wire trigger return springs, and years ago sent me one to try in my Roller project. It and some Kroil on contact surfaces took my trigger pull from 13 lbs. to under 3 lbs.! He makes the springs that Womack's sells, so that should get your .43 to a much lighter weight pull.
I bought a roll of .045" piano wire after getting the spring from Dave and made return springs for all of my Rolling Blocks, plus a few other guns using similar springs. It's the cheapest, simplest fix to any heavy return spring issue.
  

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Reply #20 - Jul 21st, 2017 at 3:08pm
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Kroil + moly (or graphite) = slicker than snot on a door knob.
  
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