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Reply #15 - Aug 1st, 2017 at 10:49pm
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1894's are know to shoot loose with High Velocity 22LF.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 3:27pm
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kensmachine wrote on Aug 1st, 2017 at 10:49pm:
1894's are know to shoot loose with High Velocity 22LF.

Thanks for the info.....as luck would have it.....I just traded (even up) for a heavier version....the 1915 model.

I'm learning a lot here as I was told I would!
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 4:32pm
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Good move.  The 1915's link is thicker than to 1894, better able to handle the pounding it gets, even though the pins are the same size.   

Downside is that they made no attempt to get the breechblock shoulders to bear in the frame, so the breechblock pivot screw carries all of the load.  But the pivot screw is bigger - about .217" vs. the .187 of the 1894.
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 6:43pm
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Here's a real strange Favorite that might handle the .17 HMR...
I'm not sure what Stevens was thinking...
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:17pm
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That trigger arrangement takes it beyond strange.  But despite the buttplate, no real Favorite ever had, or needed, a falling-block for such anemic cartridges as .32 L. Got to be some experimental model on which, for convenience, a Favorite plate was attached.

Have you searched Grant for any mention of such a model?
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:46pm
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The frame looks like a 44 1/2 but the triger droping down with the action open sure isn't 44 1/2. The barrel screw with the loop is Favorite. Got me confuses on this one.
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 10:57pm
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No mention by Grant, but check out Dutcher's description in the Jan '98 ASSRA News--another one just like it, except .25RF.  Says it was designed by Stevens man Bill Goyette.  Purpose of trigger design was to allow breech mechanism to be removed in one piece.

Doubt it could have been mfg. at a cost acceptable for a "boy's rifle."  Scaled up, it would have been an equal in strength of the 44 1/2, but since that model was already in production, maybe Stevens thought Goyette's design was redundant.

  
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Reply #22 - Aug 2nd, 2017 at 11:43pm
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If Dutcher's .25 RF example also appears fully and so nicely finished, tabbing the two rifles as experimentals or prototypes seems to me a stretch.  And why build examples only as rimfires when the action appears easily able to handle at least .22 and .25 CF cartridges? 

BP, is your example a boy/lady-sized gun?

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Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:44am
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It looks like a cross between a Page-Lewis and a Favorite. The Page-Lewis breech block was totally enclosed as is this one. It all dropped out of the action similar to a Ballard. Perhaps Mr. Lewis took this idea with him when he and Page were let go from Stevens.
  
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Reply #24 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:47am
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went to the woodpile and got some boards.....getting started is the trick.....
  
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Reply #25 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 9:24am
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Aug 2nd, 2017 at 11:43pm:
And why build examples only as rimfires when the action appears easily able to handle at least .22 and .25 CF cartridges? 



Too bad Mr. Goyette did not apply his mechanical ingenuity to the design of some kind of dual-use firing-pin, such as used by Marlin & Wesson--a lot more useful than a one-piece breech.

Dutcher found fault with the position of the hammer-spring, thought it should be re-designed. 
  
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Reply #26 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 9:27am
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vapodog wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 8:47am:
went to the woodpile and got some boards...


A woodpile like that ought to be stored in a bank vault.
  
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Reply #27 - Aug 3rd, 2017 at 1:18pm
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Aug 3rd, 2017 at 7:44am:
It looks like a cross between a Page-Lewis and a Favorite. The Page-Lewis breech block was totally enclosed as is this one. It all dropped out of the action similar to a Ballard. Perhaps Mr. Lewis took this idea with him when he and Page were let go from Stevens.


Lewis, not Goyette, must be the true inventor.  Dutcher assumed Goyette was the inventor because his gun came from Goyette's family, and that's what the family told him.  (As Antiques Roadshow demonstrates over & over again, always beware of "family traditions"!)

However, Lewis has at least 20 pats. to his credit, but I found none for Goyette.  The one pertaining to this design is #1,459,108, granted 6-19-23, assigned to Page-Lewis, along with another for the P-L rear sight.

Most of Lewis' other pats. were assigned to Stevens, but I found none that resembles the design of these two falling-blocks, which look like they were mfgd. BEFORE the Savage take-over, after which Lewis left Stevens for P-L, then Winchester.

Dutcher didn't like the vertical hammer spring, but DeHaas didn't criticize it--in fact, spoke rather well of the whole gun.
  
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Reply #28 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 10:45am
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I've seen a Favorite that was chambered for 25-20. I assume it was the WCF
but didn't ask. It was in a gunsmith's shop for a second try at the breechblock.
The replacement block was 4140 and it failed so that certainly sets a point to avoid.
The 25-20 SS has about half the breechthrust so that MIGHT be an alternative.

A nice project for someone would be to make a nice alloy ( 4140 or 8620 ) version of the whole action.  It would be a labor of love since one certainly couldn't make it
pay.
  
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Re: Stevens Favorite
Reply #29 - Aug 4th, 2017 at 12:47pm
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desert-dude wrote on Aug 4th, 2017 at 10:45am:
A nice project for someone would be to make a nice alloy ( 4140 or 8620 ) version of the whole action.  It would be a labor of love since one certainly couldn't make it
pay.


Isn't that what Savage did with their "improved" Favorite, the Model 30G?  Or has it gone out of production?
  
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