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Jul 30th, 2017 at 9:55pm
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War hero deserves respect, but...
silly old men never retire from being wrong.
"Off Topic" is proof

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Have the greatest respect for John McCain's military service. But he's had something wrong upstairs way before his recent diagnosis.
  

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John McCain -- Still fighting the good fight for others.

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McCain is what he is , this shouldn't be a suprise to anybody.

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John McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for far too long.  I respect him for that.

I feel the "war hero" phrase a bit strong for a man who's claim to fame is being shot down and taken captive.

Senator McCain seems to be far too cooperative with leftist goals and agendas for my taste. 

The entire matter of Senator McCain's political career reminds me far too much of the "Manchurian Candidate" movie of 1962 with Frank Sinatra.  Creepy.
  
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"Off Topic" proves anyone can bs with buddies. He's a Senator, and he ain't no maverick. With all that's going on in the world, only he would pick afghanistan out of the blue and lecture the admin. about how smart he is. Maybe, some slick 'reporter' should corner him and get an explanation about how great ocare is for his constituents.
  
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Concurr with you all except BP#369. Hold you nose and your breath, piggy is back. Cry Cry Cheesy
  
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OldManMontgomery wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 3:42pm:
John McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for far too long.  I respect him for that.

I feel the "war hero" phrase a bit strong for a man who's claim to fame is being shot down and taken captive.

Senator McCain seems to be far too cooperative with leftist goals and agendas for my taste. 

The entire matter of Senator McCain's political career reminds me far too much of the "Manchurian Candidate" movie of 1962 with Frank Sinatra.  Creepy.


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For someone with his background he sure seems to have little to no respect for his new commander in chief and or the people who elected him into that position. Might be he just has a hardon from what he went through but more likely he has been bought off by the special intrest groups like all the rest who have accumulated great wealth on behalf of we the people. I know a young man who has some serious ongoing heart health issues from birth and he too now has no insurance to cover his ongoing care. He works seven days a week and pays his way and not a leech off the system. I am sure John and his family still has theirs and the best our tax dollars can help to provide. I have lost all respect for the lot of them from either side of the aisle all legalized crooks as I see it and covering each others arss's behind the scenes.

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I do not know if this is true or not.  Probably should be fact checked.   M.


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GETTING TO KNOW THE REAL JOHN MCCAIN
By Burma Davis Posey

          

This is John McCain's home in Arizona. Not bad for a man who worked in the military, left the military, and then ran for Congress. He has been in Congress since 1983... for 34 years.

McCain graduated 894th in his class of 899 students from the Naval Academy! He was known for being wild and it usually revolved around women. He was a member of a group of students who called themselves "The Bad Bunch".

He married Carol Shepp who was a successful swimsuit model. She had been married to one of his classmates and had two children from her first marriage. She and McCain became parents for a daughter one year later. He had been quite a playboy and was already becoming bored with the domesticated life. He requested active duty in Vietnam. While he was there, Carol faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news about her husband. His plane was shot down in 1967 and he became a POW.

On Christmas Eve 1969, Carol and the children were spending the holiday with her parents. After dinner she was going to take gifts to some friends. The road was icy and she slid head-on into a telephone pole. She was thrown from the car through the front window. Her legs, spine, and right arm were crushed and she was in the hospital for 6 months. Ross Perot was an advocate of POW's and he paid her medical bills. She requested that John not be told because she felt he already had enough to deal with.

McCain was released in 1973 and returned home to much fanfare. Carol had several surgeries, lost 5 inches in height, and gained some weight... McCain told reporters he was overjoyed to see Carol again. But friends say privately he was ‘appalled’ by the change in her appearance.

As a war hero, McCain was moving in ever-more elevated circles. "He started carousing and running around with women.", reported Robert Timberg. Bob Timberg was a retired Marine, an American journalist, writer, and author of four books, including THE NIGHTINGALE'S SONG and JOHN MCCAIN: AN AMERICAN ODYSSEY.
McCain admitted he started having many girlfriends and affairs during this time. On one trip to Hawaii he met an Anheuser Busch distributer heiress, Cindy Hensley, at a cocktail party. She was 17 years younger than McCain and worth $100 million dollars. He invited her to have drinks with him at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. He said by the end of the evening he was in love.

They had an affair for nine months while he was still married to and living with his wife Carol. McCain wanted to marry Cindy but needed first to get a divorce. He and Carol separated in January 1980. He requested a divorce in February, the divorce was sped along and granted in April. He and Cindy married 5 weeks after the divorce was final on May 17, 1980. Carol and their children were devastated. McCain callously left his first wife and children behind. He and Cindy moved to Arizona. Cindy's father was well-connected and helped McCain move smoothly into Congress representing Arizona in Washington DC.

McCain's new wife and her family were extravagantly wealthy. Her father was one of the largest distributors of Anheuser Busch in the country and she was an only child. The divorce settlement afforded Carol McCain full custody of their three children, alimony, child support, including college tuition, houses in Virginia and Florida, and lifelong financial support for her continuing medical treatment from the car accident.

Carol said the reason for the divorce was John turned 40 and he wanted to be 25 again. Carol was extremely hurt. She went to work as the press assistant for soon-to-be First Lady Nancy Reagan. She became loved and respected in Washington. She kept a dignified silence about the horrendous way McCain had treated her.

Some of the McCain friends were less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.

Despite his popularity as a politician, there are those who have not forgotten his treatment of his first wife. Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights.

Ted said, "I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is... deceit.
"When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it. Eventually he met Cindy and she was young, beautiful, and very wealthy. McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
"This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. Yet he has no character. He is a fake."

Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel, even by the standards of modern politics.
Mr. Perot said, "McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory.
After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.

A man who cannot be faithful to a loving, self-sacrificing wife cannot be trusted to be faithful to the American people.

Cindy has also had to learn the lessons about her husband the hard way. Even though she and McCain put on a perfect front for the public, especially when he is running for office, she really is an invisible wife to him.

Tom Gosinski, who served as director of Cindy McCain’s nonprofit American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) wrote in his journal about the McCain marriage:
"During my short tenure at AVMT I have been surrounded by what on the surface appears to be the ultimate all-American family. In reality, I am working for a very sad, lonely woman. Her marriage of convenience to a U.S. Senator has driven her to distance herself from friends, cover feelings of despair with drugs, and replace lonely moments with self-indulgences. She became addicted to Percocet and had a doctor prescribing them for her illegally. When her parents learned she was taking them, they helped her stop.

Washington rumors were saying McCain had an inappropriate relationship with the young and lovely lobbyist, Vicki Iseman. Ms. Iseman began visiting McCain's offices and campaign events so frequently in 2000 that his aides were "convinced the relationship had become romantic". One staff member supposedly asked, "Why is she always around?" His staff members began a campaign to "save McCain from himself" by restricting Iseman's access to McCain during the course of the 2000 presidential primary. According to the Washington Post, McCain's political advisor John Weaver met with Iseman at Washington's Union Station to tell Iseman not to see McCain anymore.

It is not a real marriage between John and Cindy McCain. Real marriages usually involve living together. McCain and Cindy have not "lived" together for 20 years. To defend this, McCain brags the family takes two vacations together every year and Ms. McCain is the one who has always made that happen."

Two vacations per year...What a farse and fake!! Nothing about this man is real. He has no compassion or empathy for anyone except himself. The only real thing emotion he is capable of is anger. He is famous for his anger.

His father and grandfather were both decorated Navy Admirals. He was given special privileges and extreme preferential treatment while he served in the Navy. He was a pilot but according to his colleagues he was a very bad pilot. He actually crashed three planes. There was a horrendous incident that happened on his aircraft carrier, the U.S.S. Forrestal, that killed 134 men. There has been a debate since the incident with some being convinced John McCain was responsible for this accident. Others are angry about anyone who would dare speak against a Naval officer and embarrass an entire branch of service.

Many witnesses have reported that McCain was guilty of a "wet start". When a pilot wants to be a show off, with a "wet start" his engine start creates a large startling flame and lots of surprise noise from the rear of a jet engine on start up. McCain did the "Wet Start". It was not an accident. The flames from the wet start torched off the launching of a powerful Zuni rocket on the plane behind him. The Zuni rockets were famous for having electrical problems. It shot across the carrier’s deck hitting other parked planes that were packing 1,000 high-explosive pound bombs. This caused the bombs to explode. The subsequent massive explosions, fire and destruction went several decks below and nearly sunk this major 82,000 ton U.S. aircraft carrier.

This stunt and aftermath caused the death of 134 sailors and blew off arms, legs, and caused blindness and burns to another 161 sailors. McCain jumped from his plane, rolled across the flames, and escaped. He watched the men dying and the burning from a closed circuit television on the ship. Sadly all of those lives were lost.

They had to take the ship off the battle line for 2 years when it had to be taken back to port for $76 million dollars of extensive repairs. That does not include the cost of replacing the airplanes or ammunition.

Other Navy pilots causing this type of death and destruction would have been arrested and would probably still be in prison. Why didn't this happened to John McCain?
McCain's grandfather was a famous FOUR STAR Navy admiral and his dad, at the time of the incident, was also a powerful illustrious FOUR STAR Navy admiral. McCain had graduated from the Naval Academy. Witnesses say the good ole boy Navy tradition went into high gear immediately. McCain was not even repremanded. When there is a cover-up, the soldier is usually simply assigned to another ship. McCain was quietly assigned to another ship. There is an ongoing debate about the incident to this day.

John McCain's lack of character was further demonstrated when he voted not to repeal Obamacare. He had run his 2016 Senatorial race under the banner he would LEAD the fight to repeal Obamacare. He hates Donald Trump so very much he gleefully held his thumb down for his vote rather than a thumbs up. He laughed afterwards and said, "Let's see Donald Trump save America now!"

What a horrible man. He stabbed his constituents and the citizens of America in the back. Liberal socialists now call him their hero.

McCain has recently discovered he has a brain tumor. I am genuinely sorry for anyone who has to face a health issue especially when it involves cancer. Thankfully for him the doctors have said it is curable. The fact that he now has a brain tumor does not change the horrendous things he has done in his life because of his extremely low flawed character.

If Senator McCain's own health care was dependent on the Obamacare he has continued to saddle the American people with, I guarantee he would not have voted thumbs-down. But because he married a wealthy heiress and has plenty of money to take care of his own health needs, he does not care.

What a guy... what a guy!




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Former POW and VietNam vet; you have to respect that.

BUT; true or not, and except for being a vet, that reads like the biography of probably 95% of the United States Congress.  I have always wondered who paid him off so he quit campaining a couple of months before the election.

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J Louis wrote on Aug 11th, 2017 at 10:18pm:
....I have lost all respect for the lot of them from either side of the aisle all legalized crooks....

The thing I would try to keep in mind is that for me, I don't have to like them, respect them or expect anything from them. They are not all equal. Some of them are more likely to be a net positive in my eyes.

When it comes to the fellow in question here, I thought he would 'reach across the aisle' back a year or so and help dems seat Garland on the high court. On that issue, he held firm with leadership and blocked the last pres. from rubber stamping a third justice like the first two with barely a whimper from r's in congress. It was a long shot with the way election polls were seeming to go, but in the end it turned out much better.

I think frustration is going to happen. There's a difference between more or less. I bet hill's frustrated.
  
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Wonder how much of that story was factual. I just don't trust anything anyone has to say these days in Washington. All snakes that continue to bite me in the arss as far as I am concerened and I am pretty much sick of it all. The only time they do the right thing is to cover their own.

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I had a lot of respect for John McCain when he refused to leave the Hanoi Hilton if they wouldn't free his fellow servicemen.  That made him a hero in my mind.  But I'm afraid John McCain looks at himself every morning in the mirror and sees a "hero".  Problem with that is a true hero never thinks of himself as one or let's the label become his identity.  When Donald Trump (the candidate) said John McCain was no hero because hero's don't get captured in the first place, the statement took away (insulted) McCain's identity/feelings.  Now, I think he is so angered emotionally by the slight that he will do whatever he can to diminish this President and anything he tries to accomplish..........to the point he will actually kill legislation that would be helpful to the country as long as it hurts the President.  So John McCain has stepped over the line from hero to traitor, as far as I'm concerned.  It's time for him to step down and quite voting based on his immature hurt feelings.
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Chris C, I couldn't of said it better. Dale.
  

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J Louis wrote on Aug 12th, 2017 at 2:16pm:
Wonder how much of that story was factual. I just don't trust anything anyone has to say these days in Washington. All snakes that continue to bite me in the arss as far as I am concerened and I am pretty much sick of it all. The only time they do the right thing is to cover their own.

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I'm always leery of a lot of these type postings, so I did a Snopes search of this and found that Snopes not only agreed it's true, but possibly even worse. Unusual for Snopes, as they're pretty liberal and rarely totally agree with trashing somebody they like.
I couldn't however find any info at Snopes on the carrier incident to agree or disagree. But Wikipedia called it "an electrical anomaly" that started the fire on the USS Forrestal. Read this story in Wikipedia, and it would seem the bombs were the result of the fire, and that everyone on the ship was afraid to even have them on board!
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So I'm calling BS on the part of McCain starting the fire. Much as I wish it was true!
  

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One of my high school friends died on the Forrestal trying to save others below deck.
  
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Another facet to the wetstart story is that McCain was evacuated from the ship with the very first load of wounded, despite being uninjured himself.   Implication expressed by those telling the story is that the command wanted to get him out of harm's way - there being any number of sailors and airmen who would have fragged him for what he did. 

  

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Thanks for the research Vall and it's amazing how some of these folks even get elected and then are some how held in high regard.

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J Louis wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 11:40am:
Thanks for the research Vall and it's amazing how some of these folks even get elected and then are some how held in high regard.

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I blame it on uneducated or lazy voters John. Those that either vote without doing due diligence, or vote with their heart, instead of a brain. Add to that those who don't even vote at all, and you get elected officials that are worthless.
John McCain would never have been elected if he hadn't been taken captive. A huge number of veterans and their families voted for him based simply on that fact, and chose to ignore his history.
  

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Unfortunately, over half of us, US, get our political news from late night comics. Plus, charisma goes along way towards winning an election..
  

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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Aug 15th, 2017 at 11:03pm:
Unfortunately, over half of us, US, get our political news from late night comics. Plus, charisma goes along way towards winning an election..


There are numerous "shallow" considerations made by the voting populace. Obama's slick rhetoric at the democratic convention made his run for president a big success. All I heard from people was them fawning over how well spoken he was. Geez. He could have been reading a recipe card and they'd have voted for him!
  

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Obozo SPOKE a lot, never said much!
  
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Val, Slick Willie was the same way.  He legalize giving the Chinese the technology to blow our @$$ off the face of the earth with an ICBM!  Nobody cares.  They all love love the b@$t@rd except the women he raped.
  

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Val, Slick Willie was the same way.  He legalize giving the Chinese the technology to blow our @$$ off the face of the earth with an ICBM!  Nobody cares.  They all love love the b@$t@rd except the women he raped.


I remember when Slick Willy got the laws changed to allow US manufacturers to sell that technology to China! That was his payback for them donating large amounts of money to his campaign! Traitor!
  

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The incident I'm refering to was an executive order to protect his pals from an investigation about how China got the technology.  US communications companies wanted China to launch their satellites because NASA was too expensive. China was having a 90% failure rate.  The tratiors fixed that  Cry

Too bad the same technology puts satellites in orbit and sends ICBMs to us, US.  China would most likely still have a high failure rate without Slick Willie.  An aerospace engineer who worked over there told me they are good at stealing and copying, but not much innovation in high tech.
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[quote author=40707B66766769767D7E7A7660677661130 link=1501466151/25#25 date=1503683869]  US communications companies wanted China to launch their satellites because NASA was too expensive.

NASA's outrageous launch costs spawned many satellite launching enterprises -- Russia and India were popular early on as "low cost" launchers. The various versions of the technology noted in above post quickly became operational universally, obtained either from USA or Russia. Modern telecommunication satellite networks owe their existence to reliable, affordable precise launch capabilities.

(Re)invent or copy or buy has been a time honored choice at least ever since Neandertals borrowed from early Homo Sapiens. Every industry and research firm makes a deliberate choice to copy or buy or develop their own.

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svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Aug 25th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
....NASA's outrageous launch costs spawned many satellite launching enterprises....

Isn't that a bit like saying, hilery contained the high cost of uranium by giving the soviets 20% of ours? If nothing else, the gal was enterprising, eh?
  
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[quote author=40707B66766769767D7E7A7660677661130 link=1501466151/25#25 date=1503683869]  US communications companies wanted China to launch their satellites because NASA was too expensive.

NASA's outrageous launch costs spawned many satellite launching enterprises -- Russia and India were popular early on as "low cost" launchers. The various versions of the technology noted in above post quickly became operational universally, obtained either from USA or Russia. Modern telecommunication satellite networks owe their existence to reliable, affordable precise launch capabilities.

(Re)invent or copy or buy has been a time honored choice at least ever since Neandertals borrowed from early Homo Sapiens. Every industry and research firm makes a deliberate choice to copy or buy or develop their own.

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Somehow this excuses handing over critical military technology to our sworn enemies?
  

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The World moves on ...... Check out this website for India's space program.
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Realizing I have been outta touch with various space programs for too long I did a quick Google search. Yep, lots been going on since the days when NASA and Intercosmos were the biggies.

To those that fixate on "critical military capabilities" I would point out that NO ONE ever manages to stay on top for long. In this instance, perhaps it has been forgotten that NASA was pretty hopeless at launching satellites until Von Braun et all (Germans) were put in charge.  And that USSR launched first payloads into orbit. Which countries have provided payload delivery to International Space Station?? If you are really worried about sharing "critical military capabilities" re space, you must really hate the 1998 agreement on International Space Station ( (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)).

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Reply #30 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 2:15am
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svartkruttgris#369 wrote on Aug 26th, 2017 at 11:11am:
If you are really worried about sharing "critical military capabilities" re space, you must really hate the 1998 agreement on International Space Station ( (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)).

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Totally irrelevant at that point.  The cat was out of the bag  Undecided
  

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Reply #31 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 10:55am
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Where the "cat" was depends somewhat on one's point of view and information. From where I was for decades, the "cat" was seen as already pretty much "free range" by end of W2. North Korea's recent successes are are but the most recent illustration of just how mobile high missile-technology "cats" really are. Aside from China, there was USSR, France, India, Japan, etc. Von Braun's "cat" was much sought after during latter part of WW2. Was Russa, like USA, visited by the "cat" but even earlier? Record is clear that Russia was first to put payloads into orbit, repeatedly.

China's technology was at that time still badly damaged by consequences of their "Great Leap Forward", which was actually a "Great Leap Backwards" for technology. Scope of that self-imposed disaster is hard to fully appreciate from outside. But, they have extensively recovered.

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Reply #32 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:00am
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No matter how it is examined, Slick Willie's treasonous act giving the Chinese the ability to deliver ICBMs to us, US, was a serious "leap backwards" comprising national security more than any other single act in our history.
  

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Reply #33 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 12:59pm
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Is it polite to interrupt when someone is dodging and deflecting?
  
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Reply #34 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 7:53pm
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Here is FrontPage report that many here might enjoy reading and extrapolating to information coming to light about current infantile president and his buddies.

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Some days a couple of simple Google searches can be fun.

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Reply #35 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:32pm
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Beltfed & Chris, thanks for the excellent posts.

McCain is a traitor, he is no war hero, he's a silver spoon narcissistic scumbag who's only interested in his own importance.   He's stabbed this country in the back, he's a RINO of the highest order.

Take a look at 2 links that are honest, objective and who have no skin in the game.

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Reply #36 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:06pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:00am:
No matter how it is examined, Slick Willie's treasonous act giving the Chinese the ability to deliver ICBMs to us, US, was a serious "leap backwards" comprising national security more than any other single act in our history.


There are only a handful of folks who know the truth about Billy selling the Chinese multi-stage rocket technology.  The top secret eyes only Boeing machine shop that was key to building a multi-stage ICBM was cancelled by Clinton. 

The entire machine shop with the most advanced top secret equipment was put up for sealed bid to "friendly" govts.  The bids were $22 - 55 million from Germany, France, Japan, Swedes and other western countries.   2 weeks after bidding was closed a Chinese delegation was allowed access to the shop with cameras, video and some in military uniform.  When initally denied entrance because of the "eyes only"  rules, a state dept guy threatened the shop manager with "let them enter or your career in aerospace is over".

The Chinese sealed bid of $5 million won them this machine shop.  Unfortunately as part of this deal was a disassembled CRAY super computer with the most complex orbital software that took 30 years to develop.  It was disassembled by a Chinese plant and labeled as "misc electronic parts", so it wasn't examined before being exported.   

Apparently Billy was heard by his SS agent screaming over the phone from the presidential limo that if they Chinese didn't deposit $200,000,000 in his overseas acct by the end of the week, the machine shop deal was off.
  
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Reply #37 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 6:41pm
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Spacestuff4me,
What are published references for what you posted above. Would love to read them.
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