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Anybody ever try it with stop ring bullets and smokeless?


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Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 5:07pm
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For that matter, has anybody tried stop-ring bullets in any of our 'normal' calibers? Like 32-40 or 38-55. I never even thought about it, but it is an interesting notion.
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My cases arrived today. I got some old molds to mess with. Going to give it a try. Chamber in my rifle has a tapered throat so thinking SR bullets should work. Gotta make a tiny little boring bar to cut the SR in a mold.

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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2017 at 9:56pm
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keep us posted. What weight are you going to start with?
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 8th, 2017 at 9:30am
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Joe:

I can send you some 85 grain RCBS flat nose bullets if you want to try them.

The mould is a double cavity and is for sale.
You could cut a stop ring in one of the cavities.

Never heard of stop ring bullets that small.

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Last night I turned a sizer button to replace the de-capper rod and factory sizer.

Started out at .261 but shells would not chamber. Worked it down to .2585. Now the shells chamber and bullets are a close slip fit in the shells. Bullet on left weighs 112gr, other 115gr. 


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Reply #6 - Aug 8th, 2017 at 12:00pm
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Thanks for the offer, Dave.  Think I have the bullet issue covered. Ten inch twist in my barrel.

Thinking about dimples rather than a stop ring. Both bullet types are straight. Thinking all that's needed is something to stop bullets from falling onto the powder charge. Save me a lot of work too.


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Just curious, what rifle(s) do you have in 25-20SS?
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Ballard. FrankenBallard. Douglas barrel.


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Usual load in my rifle is 8gr IMR 4227 breech seated 120gr bullet. Does 7gr powder sound about right for a fixed round? Quite a reduction in capacity, fixed.


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Reply #10 - Aug 8th, 2017 at 1:09pm
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westerner wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 12:27pm:
Usual load in my rifle is 8gr IMR 4227 breech seated 120gr bullet. Does 7gr powder sound about right for a fixed round? Quite a reduction in capacity, fixed.


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Sounds about right but, I think something like H108 might be better at 6.5 gr. If you have any.

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Reply #11 - Aug 8th, 2017 at 6:23pm
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Apposing dimples it will be.  Going to cast up a bunch of the 115gr bullets. Will have time to test loads at Glasgow.  Might have to remove the GC, maybe not.


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Good luck Joe.  I have tried fixed loads in my 10 twist 25029 Win low wall.  It won't group well at all, but your idea may work.  My two tapered bullets over 100 gr just fall into the case.  I have given up on fixed.  It shoots great breech seated. 

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Hoping to get it accurate enough for OH.  Never had much luck with soft bullets loaded fixed with smokeless either. 


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That was my thought as well.  I may try again once the weather cools off a bit.  I hate casting when it is almost 90.  I still have to go to work each day....bummer.

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bpjack wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
That was my thought as well.  I may try again once the weather cools off a bit.  I hate casting when it is almost 90.  I still have to go to work each day....bummer.

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I feel for you Jack, you need to come on down here and do your casting, it was 114 last week Sad

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frnkeore wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:51am:
bpjack wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
That was my thought as well.  I may try again once the weather cools off a bit.  I hate casting when it is almost 90.  I still have to go to work each day....bummer.

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I feel for you Jack, you need to come on down here and do your casting, it was 114 last week Sad

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I'm lucky, its only 95 in my 3rd floor room where I cast.  (Normally a WINTER activity)
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 9:44am
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frnkeore wrote on Aug 9th, 2017 at 1:51am:
bpjack wrote on Aug 8th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
That was my thought as well.  I may try again once the weather cools off a bit.  I hate casting when it is almost 90.  I still have to go to work each day....bummer.

Jack


I feel for you Jack, you need to come on down here and do your casting, it was 114 last week Sad

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Good time to cast since the lead is already preheated  Grin
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 9th, 2017 at 12:08pm
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Just DON'T drip your sweat into the lead pot!
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Just DON'T drip your sweat into the lead pot!
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Reply #21 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:55pm
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Last month tried the 120gr dimple bullets as pictured. Loading was easy and bullets were a tight slip fit in the cases.  Groups at 100 yards were minute of 55 gallon drum. Next day tried these little buggers Pat Bowland provided. Groups were much improved. About three inches. Just got a new Lee #20 lead pot for a dedicated hard lead pot. Next step is to remove the gas check from my mold and cast hard bullets.

Half Linotype half wheel weights?


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Joe,

That looks like a zombie bullet straight out of the series "The Walking Lead"     Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #23 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 7:45pm
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Remind me when you stop by.  I have some 115gr Lyman 258231 plain base FN hard cast bullets that I got from Western Bullet.  You can have then if you want.  There is a Jeep transmission that goes with them.

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Reply #24 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 8:03pm
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Okay. How do you flux lino and WW? I'm ready to start casting.


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Took the GC out of the mold. Cast bullets half lino half Lyman #2. Bullets measure .260. To big to fit in the cases. Now have to sized them down to just below the dimples.  This is fun!   Undecided


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Reply #26 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:50pm
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The plot thickens. Found out my bullet sizer stop doesn't have enough travel to work with my bullets. Have to make a new one.  Neat! 



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FFT...
Slot the die part way so it sizes it the whole way. You'd have a dimple and ridge above it, what would they sound and perform like with tiny fins then? 

Fluxing? I use a cast iron skillet on a gas burner outside, get my mix right in larger quantities, flux before pouring into ingots with paraffin stirring well with a dowel, all I do then when casting is stir occasionally.   Pouring 10 - 20 lbs from a hot skillet is a workout.
  

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Already have that mold, Jack, thanks.

GT, got it covered. Super glued a piece of 1/2 DR onto the end of the existing stop.


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Works good. Perfect slip fit. Sized up to the dimples.   Assuming my old standby lube will work.


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My son and I went out yesterday to test loads.  Thirty shots at about 175 yards from a wobbly rest, high winds and no wind flags, iron sights. We concluded that the rifle is accurate enough for offhand shooting. Bullets were half lino half wheel weights.  7.7 grains IMR 4227 burned clean in the barrel but showed key holing on the target. Thirty shots, no leading.  Next test will be using 8 gr powder. Hopefully a better rest and conditions.


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Cast sized and lubed a hundred bullets today. Lot of expense and work but it is fun doing something different.

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High winds no flags group at two hundred yards.  Good enough for me. No leading. Still key holing using eight grains IMR 4227. Used a twenty power STS.  Now to turn that barrel down a bit. Cannot and do not want to hold a fifteen pound rifle for long.

Had one cartridge without powder. Popped when I pulled the bullet out of the case with pliers. I feel much safer loading components at the bench. Will be loading powder in shell holders and double checking powder charges from now on.

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Reply #33 - May 6th, 2018 at 11:55pm
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Very happy with the dimple bullets.  Posted the first score target today at Missoula. 

Sighted on a red target to see the bullet holes then swung over to the black for score. Starting to like this fixed ammo.



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One thing about your ww/lino alloy.
It takes about 19-20 days for the cast bullets
to come up to full hardness.
I have had very good luck with my 9+1 ww/lino
alloy in many ctges/loads in CB rifle, magnum handgun, BPCR. 
I did verify by test that
I need to wait the "3 wks" as advised in the old NRA CBH.
Much Prior to that aging, I had less than stellar accuracy and sometimes even some  leading in 1300fps loads,

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I'll keep that in mind, Arnie, and thank you. The cartridges I used had been assembled quite a while. Long enough I cannot remember what alloy I used. Have to read back through this thread. Hope I mentioned it. Still have ten pounds in the lead pot.


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Will use it in the quarter bore match.  Not in the regular match. Don't think anyway. Better cast bullets soon like Arnie advises.


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Patty taking a shot with the 25-20 Frankenballard.  She said one was enough! Fifteen pounds without a scope.


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