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Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Aug 13th, 2017 at 8:53am
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When visiting my home town in Wisconsin the LGS had this and has not dreampt up a price. But I am looking for insight in case I missed something. Details: A.W.Peterson bbl which unfortunately has a dozen screw holes in the top including in the Peterson stamp with a mediocre bore (offset chamber), a stock with horrendous carving and forearm is very poorly fit, interesting but plate that has elevation adjustment (Peterson?), and a brass palm rest hardware (Peterson?), lever has several holes in it (assume from previous finger lever modification, otherwise action is in good shape with no finish.

Now, how much should it be? My guess is the uninformed LGS is going to go to the web and decide it is worth $5k. My thought is $1,200 since essentially all but the action goes in the trash.

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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 9:26am
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My guess is it will bring $3000.  There's a jack for every Jill.

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Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 10:09am
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Some proud owner is going to say:  "I have the best ugly gun in town!"
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:20am
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I think there might be more value to it than meets the eye. I have seen another similar to it in a past ASSRA Journal and the work may have been done by the same person. When one zooms in and looks at the quality of the wood it is of the highest quality and the craftsman behind it might be highly noted. I will try to find that article when time allows. If memory serves me right the lever inserts were also a singnature of his work.

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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:25pm
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I'd buy every one like that I could find at $1200and be tickled! In fact I'd be tickled to get them for $1,000 more than that for one like that. I think that looking at it as just a factory engraved, forged, double set trigger action, with ivory insert in the #6 lever, would make it a $1500 action alone. If it wasn't engraved, or if the engraving was non factory, then the action would be much less, and closer to your $1200 guess.
I don't find the stocks ugly, or something like Bubba or Harlow would build. They aren't typical American style, but are very well carved, and appealing as old craftsmanship to me. But I like unique examples of old schuetzen rifles, and have always wanted an American rifle done in European style.
All the extra holes in the barrel are fixable, and I've dealt with them before on guns. The last Schoyen I bought had 6 extra holes, and 3 extra dovetails. But I filled them all, and polished out the barrel, and rust blued it. They are almost invisible now. And a good engraver can touch up the AW Peterson rollstamp too. If the bore is no good, I'd spin it off and save the barrel. But if it's shootable I'd keep it on that Ballard, as it's original to the rework most likely. Some may not like it, but it is single shot history as reworked, and should be retained if possible.
Start adding up the wood, palm rest, and the AW Peterson barrel, and I can't imagine it wont get the $3k that 40rod mentioned. If you get it, and decide to use the action; drop me a line and we'll work out a deal on the rest of the parts!
  

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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 12:31pm
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PS- On the subject of the action having "no finish". Ballard engraved actions almost always had less case color when new. I believe the factory did something different with engraved actions, to ensure the engraving was not harmed during casehardening. I've owned minty versions of engraved and non engraved Marlins, and always seen much less color on engraved guns vs. non engraved guns.
  

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Reply #6 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 1:46pm
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Carved stock looks very similar to the style on Hubalek Rifles
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:00pm
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In regards to the poor fit of the forearm what exactly does that pertain too? If it is just the gap between the forearm and action it is correct for best accuracy and thus would have been purposely done.

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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:09pm
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J Louis wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:00pm:
In regards to the poor fit of the forearm what exactly does that pertain too? If it is just the gap between the forearm and action it is correct for best accuracy and thus would have been purposely done.

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Never see that on original Ballard rifles, but several custom built Ballards I have that were done by highly regarded old time gunsmiths have that feature. They also will usually omit the dowel on the back of the forearm that fit into the hole in the receiver, to further separate the forearm from the receiver contact.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 2:37pm
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When one looks closely at the fit of the butt stock to the action and the butt plate to the stock it would be hard to imagine the forearm would have a sloppy fit to the barrel and what prompted me to bring it up. The more I look at it the more I think it something special but I could be wrong. The wood surely does not belong in the trash all though it is not to my own personal tastes and it was surely not done by Harlow but someone very talented from what little I can see of the details in the pictures.

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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #10 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 4:33pm
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Well, I was holding my tongue, as a Ballard and other antique rifle newby, but I'm glad that I am not the only person that quite enjoys the look of the rifle. Vall said it much better than I would have, but I'd be tickled pink to own that rifle.

I was thinking about volunteering to keep the wood out of the trash, but Vall has beat me to it, besides, it would look out of place on my rag-tag No. 2.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 4:52pm
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The stock doesn't seem that different than the Schoyen/Petersen stocks I've seen in the Tom Rowe website, and the wood is really laid out so as to retain strength and showplace the figure.  Don't know why the Ballard 6 buttplate was replaced, maybe to match the brass in the palm rest furniture, one certainly doesn't need more drop in that stock.. Any #6 Ballard is a find, and so many were customized.  My #6 is in the early German style (sn 24XX)  with no engraving and straight octagonal barrel; it is reportedly in .40/60 Ballard Everlasting and may be the only #6 in that caliber.  I've been using hand turned cases.
  
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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #12 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 6:47pm
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cleanprone wrote on Aug 13th, 2017 at 4:52pm:
Any #6 Ballard is a find, and so many were customized. My #6 is in the early German style (sn 24XX) with no engraving and straight octagonal barrel; it is reportedly in .40/60 Ballard Everlasting and may be the only #6 in that caliber. I've been using hand turned cases.


Yes, a #6 that was customized is pretty common to  find, and originals are tough to find. My #6 was rebarreled by Zettler Bros., and is a .22 Short now, with a match chamber. Also offset to use the CF firing pin to strike the RF case. Mine still has the #6 stock and buttplate, but different forearm with Win. tuning fork palm rest, and Stevens scope in Pope rings.
  

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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 7:02pm
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I like it! Nice wood, the carving reminds me of a Hubleck that Gary Quinlin had a Vegas several years back. Very nicely done. It appears eclectic with the ivory insert and shiney barrel. Also palm rest swell needs better wood to match but nice rifle. I'm with Val I would pay way more then $1200. By the way what is it chamber in?
  
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Re: Value of Ballard engraved #6 action
Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2017 at 11:20pm
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Actually, the rifle appears to be a very nice custom Ballard, and although the stock carving is not to my taste, I could get use to it. I seem to remember that Earl Heinz has a Ballard with a similar stock, and oak leaves. These are pics of an A. Hubalek Ballard;
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