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Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Aug 19th, 2017 at 9:56am
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Any ideas where I might find a pistol grip lower tang for a Stevens 44?  I don't see any on CPA's web site.
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Re: Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Reply #1 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:10pm
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I might be wrong, but I think the lower tang is integral with the receiver on the 44.  On the 44 1/2 it is a separate piece.  An added consideration is that the serial number is on the lower tang...
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:39pm
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IF you have a "44" action with set triggers, the tang is a separate piece, and in fact interchangeable with the one used for the 44 1/2.  An actual 44 with DST is very unlikely, but higher grade versions (45 and up) are not uncommon. 

If your receiver is marked 44 on the face and has the DST tang, I'd like to know more.  I am in possession of the only 44-marked DST receiver that I have ever seen or heard tell of, and would love to know that it has a sibling.

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Reply #3 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:43pm
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44 actions with single triggers have a lower tang cast as part of the action.  44's with double set trigger had the lower tang cut off and milled out.  They were then fitted with a separate lower tang held in place by 2 screws.
It "MAY" be possible to use a 44 1/2 tang.  Ask Gail at CPA. 
A few years ago I replaced a vintage 44 1/2 tang with one of theirs but had to do some hand work to get it to fit.
  

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Re: Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Reply #4 - Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:57pm
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830singleshot wrote on Aug 19th, 2017 at 7:43pm:
44 actions with single triggers have a lower tang cast as part of the action.  44's with double set trigger had the lower tang cut off and milled out.  They were then fitted with a separate lower tang held in place by 2 screws.
It "MAY" be possible to use a 44 1/2 tang.  Ask Gail at CPA. 
A few years ago I replaced a vintage 44 1/2 tang with one of theirs but had to do some hand work to get it to fit.


Not "may".   I've got 'em both on the bench at the moment. The tang assemblies do interchange, as do the internal pieces.  Only difference is that CPA uses a modern thread for the two rear screws that fix the tang to the receiver, and the pivot pins in the CPA assembly are slightly smaller.
  

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Re: Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 8:55am
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Thanks guys.  Belongs to a friend and I haven't actually had it in my hands.  It is a single trigger and I just figured the lower tang was replaceable like my 44 1/2's.  Live and learn.
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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 10:46am
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Uscra,
I too have a 44 Stevens dbl set trigger in 22lr,  It is a straight tang and ser.# 18 176   The rifle is currently apart as the hammer is cracked where the toggle and fly slot is. 
been looking for a replacement but will probably have to make a new hammer as Mod 44 hammers with a fly are hard to find!!
Will see if I can get some photos posted.
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Re: Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Reply #7 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 2:30pm
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Wizard, rmc.   

I just took mine apart to see if the CPA hammer would work for you.  The hammers seem to be interchangeable but, once again, CPA has rationalized their design to use modern screw threads, and as a consequence the axle hole in the hammer is about .012  smaller than the screw that mine has. (Mine is down in the 4-digit s/n range.)  Your s/n puts it up in the range where it should have the 6 o'clock extractor and the two-piece "bolt" for the hammer and lever pivots.  Can you confirm? 

If you can get around the axle diameter issue, maybe by bushing the holes in the receiver, you should be able to use a CPA hammer.  Their part is very hard, so opening their hole up will require an EDM machine or a Moore Jig Grinder.  And you can't open it much - the upper web is only about .060". 
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:27pm
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Uscra,
I looked at the CPA hammers but the hammer spur is what I feel, way different than the original Stevens design. I will just make one when I can get to it.  Seems like everyone elses stuff gets done first..........
You are correct the axels are the two piece design. and it is a 6 o'clock extractor.

Also,There is another rifle just like mine up in Glasgow Montana, A fellow just shot it in the 22 match last weekend at the Summer Heat match.  don't know the serial number, could find out if you need it.
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Re: Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Reply #9 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 7:15pm
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The spur doesn't look all that much different, but I'll admit that it's not 100% congruent.

Yes, I'm interested in knowing details of all such rifles.  I've been keeping a database, to give us a better handle on when specific features appeared in the s/n sequence, and to some extent dating.  I've stopped logging common configurations, but these unusual ones I'm still adding in.

Want to know: s/n, caliber, DST or not, extractor position, type of pivot axles, sights, barrel marking.  Early specimens have screw axles where yours has the bolts, and I've found that there are three variations of screw diameter.  When I see a specimen on a for-sale site, I archive a few photos. I do not log personal ID data on the owners.  Database is no big secret, if you're interested P/M me your regular email and I'll copy it to you.  It's an Excel file. 

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Re: Need Stevens 44 lower tang
Reply #10 - Aug 25th, 2017 at 12:49am
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I spoke with a friend a couple of days ago who has a 44 DST rifle with a number matching 32-40 barrel. It's a 4 digit serial number, 7 o'clock extractor. It came to him many, many years ago as a barreled action. He says it has no marks on the front of the receiver.

If he remembers he'll bring it to our match on Saturday. I can take pictures and get any other information that may be of interest. Let me know what I should be looking for.

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