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Aug 29th, 2017 at 12:11am
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Looking at two soule long range sights need pros and cons. Lee Shavers super soule(higher grade) or Ron Heilman? Or the Shavers econo? 1000yds won't be the norm but I would like to be able if the opportunity comes up. They will be going on a 45-70 rolling block used mostly for local BPCR, at least that is the intent at this time. I know I'll hear Baldwin,Hoke,Mva and Kelly. Those are around the 500 plus well out of my price range. Any other suggestion will be welcomed. Shavers and Heilman around 330 to 385.

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Reply #1 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 12:17am
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The ones I got from Ron are tighter than my NBA it Riflesmith sights.  I highly recommend him.
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 29th, 2017 at 9:54am
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I personally don't use tang sights with windage adjustment in them. at longer distances I find you simply chase the wind and spend too much time adjusting sights as the wind changes. I prefer fixed tang sights without windage.
  

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I've had a couple of the Shaver deluxe Soule sights.  They work fine, but the windage marks on the base of the staff are difficult to read.  The sights work fine, but due to the difficult to read windage marks you can get lost easily if there are twitchy winds and you have a fair bit of windage on the sight.  I've since switched to MVA's on all of my competition rifles.

I'm the opposite of Marlinguy,  I'm a big fan of windage on the rear sight.  I can't imagine shooting Creedmoor or even midrange without it.

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I can't either Chris.  When your 20 minutes of fame opens at Ottawa or Raton and the wind is making 10 minute or more shifts shot to shot, waiting it out or holding off aren't really options.  Having only a windgage front sight is a real P I A.
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 12:18am
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For several years now, I have used one these MVA sights:  (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

Before I got the MVA sight, I would wish my sight had more capability, but after I got my MVA, I have never ever wished my sight was shorter. 

Save your money up for a great sight and only buy it once.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 1:49am
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Aug 29th, 2017 at 12:10pm:
I can't either Chris.  When your 20 minutes of fame opens at Ottawa or Raton and the wind is making 10 minute or more shifts shot to shot, waiting it out or holding off aren't really options.  Having only a windgage front sight is a real P I A.


In modern times a front windgauge sight is a PITA. Windgauge rear sights were very rare in the old days. Shooting was an important pastime, they often took the time to adjust the front sight. Now days, SS shooters want to get the shooting over by noon so they can have their afternoon snooze. Doesn't do much for high scores either.


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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 2:36am
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almat,

These guys all make very valid arguments, like a lot of us on this forum, several of us have quite a few rifles and shoot the many different disciplines, with different rifles Smiley.   I know a couple that only have one rifle, one sight etc. beware of these guys, they spent the money on quality equipment and they shoot it well, their opinions are strong with justification.

Myself, I change guns, build something new, buy parts and change everything up before every shoot it seems, there is very little consistency in my world of shooting - but I have a lot of fun!  I have a few of Shaver's sights - on .22's, mid range rifles, and a couple I use for longer distances, one's a rolling block 45-70, it makes it to a 1000 yards with some to spare - for the dollar they get the job done.  It won't make 1200 without help and guesswork.
I have a MVA like previously mentioned on another rifle, it's a very good sight, it goes out to a mile with a little room to spare, if you plan to shoot this in the future, don't hesitate, save your $$ and get one. 
I am fortunate that I have the skills and the facility, wishing I had more time - I make sights for a hobby.  I've copied many, from Soule to Snover, from Hammond to Maynard, a dozen of my own design to something as simple as Steven's and  Pope's.   I have a fair understanding of what makes or breaks a sight but it's just an opinion and everybody has one.  The markings have to be clear, the motion has to be positive, the fit of mating parts have to be close and smooth.  The more money spent generally wins these characteristics.

The windage feature is great, front or rear, but unless one has an exceptional spotter, it tends to create havoc - for me.   A spotter that makes the call and really knows what going on down range - makes the shooter.  They are few and far between.   If I'm shooting without a spotter or someone that is marginal, I'll correct a minimal amount, study conditions, pay attention to the neighbors hits and misses and generally hold correction.  If I focus I do well.   
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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 2:51am
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Joe, I don't remember when Soule sights became the norm, but we didn't have them in Ottawa in 93  Cry  A lot can happen by the time you adjust the front and get back into position and fire  Grin
  

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They have slowly become the norm since the 1980s. Wind is wind no matter when it happens. I still hold off.


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Reply #10 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 4:38am
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Thanks for all your advice. It appears I am probably ruling out Lee Shaver at this point and with MVA being out of my price range, at 500+. It looks like Heilman is going to be my direction of travel. But it's still going to be a couple months before I am ready for sight. I still have barrel and stock work that needs done. Agian thanks for our advice. More will be welcomed.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 1:16pm
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I've got some MVAs but prefer a Hoke.
  
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westerner wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 3:14am:
They have slowly become the norm since the 1980s. Wind is wind no matter when it happens. I still hold off.


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I remember one afternoon at KD22 at Fort Lewis the hold off was the adjacent target frame  Grin We were using every other frame since we had plenty of them. Only one shooter out of 6 or 8 was getting any hits on his own target  Roll Eyes   That hold off was about 22 MOA  Undecided
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 1:55pm
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I never held off that far. Maybe a quarter of the bull at the most.  At Cody one year I held, with a scope, on the right edge of the target frame to the left of mine to get a 23. I was using a .55 caliber 700 gr bullet and a hundred grains BP. The wind, she was blowing that day.


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