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Reply #15 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 10:42pm
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At $299 you might also consider the Browning BPCR sights.  Some guys give them a bad rap but I can tell you from experience that they are good vernier sights.  There were some minor problems with the sights that came with earlier 1st year (1996) rifles but they were corrected in the later sights.  The guy that's selling them (see eBay listing below) bought the remaining inventory from the manufacturer that made the sights for Browning. There are many Browning & other rifle shooters that have used the sights to win lots of matches around the country.  I shoot with several of them and have used the sight myself prior to switching to a scope due to eye issues.

The one problem may be fitting your roller tang hole spacing.  The Browning sight has a 2.190" center-to-center spacing & comes with 10-32 mounting screws.

I know there are Browning shooters on this forum.  Maybe some can offer comments - good or bad.

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Reply #16 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 10:59am
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I remember reading somewhere that there were quite a few fatal shootings of riflemen in the old days adjusting their windage adjustable fronts...I found it hard to swallow.  Few years later, I was out first time with my Axtel 77' Sharps .40-70 2 1/2".  I had just shot a very small group and jumped up wanting to center remaining rounds on the bull...I was adjusting micrometer and focused on the lines when my left eye happened to glance down  the side of that long 34" barrel...to see the hammer on full cock..and I'm remembering theres a loaded round in chamber!  Talk about being drenched in a cold sweat!  That muzzle was pretty much aligned right between my eyes.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:46pm
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I agree with Texasmac
The Browning sight is a good one for the $300 the guy is asking on ebay.  (just checked- he has 4 left.) Ihave been using several to good satisfaction on my Brgs, Win Hi Walls and   even two Ruger No 1s.
BUT, as Wayne pointed out, there is the hole spacing
on the base. AND also, the angle of the Brg sight
will not be exactly correct for a Roller. It is noted that I had ordered my sights direct from AMT the manufacturer of the Brg Sight with bases for the particular rifles.
The Brg sight base has hole space of 2.185", and angle of 18degrees. An orig. Rem roller base hole space is 1.938 and angle of staff at 20 degrees.
If you at building a roller from a non D&T military , the hole spacing will not matter. But, you might have a little issue
with the angle.
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Reply #18 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:15pm
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.22-5-40 wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 10:59am:
I remember reading somewhere that there were quite a few fatal shootings of riflemen in the old days adjusting their windage adjustable fronts...I found it hard to swallow.  Few years later, I was out first time with my Axtel 77' Sharps .40-70 2 1/2".  I had just shot a very small group and jumped up wanting to center remaining rounds on the bull...I was adjusting micrometer and focused on the lines when my left eye happened to glance down  the side of that long 34" barrel...to see the hammer on full cock..and I'm remembering theres a loaded round in chamber!  Talk about being drenched in a cold sweat!  That muzzle was pretty much aligned right between my eyes.

I remember most guys looked down the muzzle adjusting  them.  I only do it going from offhand and to rest setting and vice versa.  Knowing the MOA for 1/4 revolution, adjusting it reaching forward and being aware of the backlash in the threads just seemed to be a better way to go. 
  

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Reply #19 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:03pm
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the heilman sites are a good value,  have one over 10 yrs   art
  
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beltfed wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 12:46pm:
I agree with Texasmac
The Browning sight is a good one for the $300 the guy is asking on ebay.  (just checked- he has 4 left.) Ihave been using several to good satisfaction on my Brgs, Win Hi Walls and   even two Ruger No 1s.
BUT, as Wayne pointed out, there is the hole spacing
on the base. AND also, the angle of the Brg sight
will not be exactly correct for a Roller. It is noted that I had ordered my sights direct from AMT the manufacturer of the Brg Sight with bases for the particular rifles.
The Brg sight base has hole space of 2.185", and angle of 18degrees. An orig. Rem roller base hole space is 1.938 and angle of staff at 20 degrees.
If you at building a roller from a non D&T military , the hole spacing will not matter. But, you might have a little issue
with the angle.
beltfed/arnie


Arnie,
I had forgotten to point out the angle difference.  Thanks for pointing it out.  I doubt 2 degrees will make a significant difference but the front of the base can be shimmed if necessary.  It won't take much. 

Also, AMT the manufacturer of the sights, still has some parts including bases for various rifles the last time I spoke with them, but it's been some time.  They also have/had complete front sights for Sharps (0.454" dovetails) and some windage adjustable front sights (do not remember the dovetail dimensions).  If anyone is interested, AMT can be reached at 800-691-1233.  Ask for Dennis Taylor.

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Reply #21 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:53am
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Correcting 2 degrees of tang angle difference, at 2.185", will require just a little bit more then a shim of .038" thickness.
Calculation would be Distance *  SIN(2 degrees) in this case 2.185" * .0349" = shim thickness
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:56am
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As the sight elevation raises, that 2 degrees forward wont mean much. In fact it might work better as the sight elevation gets higher.
  

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Reply #23 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:03am
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Vall however 18 degrees on a 20 degree tang would mean the sight leans backwards, doesn't it? Or am I getting old
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:58pm
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I have 2 Shavers and 1 Heilman. The Shavers are both economy grade so the finish doesn't match the Heilman, but they are good quality. I think Shaver's represent a good value (or I wouldn't keep buying them). I also have a couple of his front sights which I like.
  
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Reply #25 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:00pm
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LRF wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:03am:
Vall however 18 degrees on a 20 degree tang would mean the sight leans backwards, doesn't it? Or am I getting old


LRF,

You're correct, the shim would have to be located under the rear of the base, my mistake, and a shim of 0.076" to correct the angle would be significantly thicker than I thought.  I made that age old mistake of assuming.

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Reply #26 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:03pm
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LRF wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:03am:
Vall however 18 degrees on a 20 degree tang would mean the sight leans backwards, doesn't it? Or am I getting old


No, you're correct Lynn. Which means it would get worse, not better as it was raised.
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:36pm
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That angle is easily corrected by careful filing.  I had to make my heel sights stand up straight; none commercially available.
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 2:12pm
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texasmac wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:00pm:
LRF wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:03am:
Vall however 18 degrees on a 20 degree tang would mean the sight leans backwards, doesn't it? Or am I getting old


LRF,

You're correct, the shim would have to be located under the rear of the base, my mistake, and a shim of 0.076" to correct the angle would be significantly thicker than I thought.  I made that age old mistake of assuming.

Wayne

Wayne, I think you doubled the shim thickness, actually .038" would be required at a minimum. See my earlier post with the calculation required.
I have had these Browning sights and they are okay but if I was trying to use one I would make a new base. An option not always a possibility to all. The truth is just buy what you need to fit and be done with it. However everyone gets to choose their own medicine.
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 5:32pm
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LRF wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 2:12pm:
texasmac wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 1:00pm:
LRF wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 11:03am:
Vall however 18 degrees on a 20 degree tang would mean the sight leans backwards, doesn't it? Or am I getting old


LRF,

You're correct, the shim would have to be located under the rear of the base, my mistake, and a shim of 0.076" to correct the angle would be significantly thicker than I thought.  I made that age old mistake of assuming.

Wayne

Wayne, I think you doubled the shim thickness, actually .038" would be required at a minimum. See my earlier post with the calculation required.
I have had these Browning sights and they are okay but if I was trying to use one I would make a new base. An option not always a possibility to all. The truth is just buy what you need to fit and be done with it. However everyone gets to choose their own medicine.


After checking I agree with the formula you stated as follows: "Calculation would be Distance *  SIN(2 degrees) in this case 2.185" * .0349" = shim thickness".  When I do the math 2.185 X .0349 = .0763" shim.

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