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44 1/2 in 22-15-60
Aug 30th, 2017 at 7:45am
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First, I'll say that I find "what's it worth" posts pretty annoying in general.

That presents a problem, because I have a dilemma; I need to figure out what my 22-15 might be worth.
I'm reluctant to sell it, but I've reached the point where some things need to go.
Pricing seems to be all over the map, and guides like Blue Book are never very accurate for the old 19th and early 20th century single shots.
My rifle is no museum piece, but it is in very nice shape with a very good bore. The one time I have had to shoot it with a thrown together unorthadox load, it did very well; better than hoped.
It's a standard rifle with no case colors to speak of on the action, patinaed blue and solid wood with original finish and no chips, cracks, etc. It has a single trigger, regular oct-to-rnd barrel and rear leaf sight and Beech-type front sight. No extra holes or other "enhancements".
Anyone care to suggest a range of value? Thanks.
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:53am
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Might help if you posted a few pictures, so we had a good idea of the appearance.
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:11am
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Probably would help, eh? Wink


On examination, there may have been a extra coat of varnish added to wood and metal at some point, but I'm not sure. It may just be "extra patina".
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:28am
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Looks like a pretty decent 44 1/2 to me. Just see faint remainder of case colors, and bluing looks as you mentioned, to be faded and patina.
If I saw it at a local gun show, I'd expect it to be priced around $1300-$1500.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 3:53pm
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Thanks. That's about where I was placing it, but not being a Stevens expert, I was hoping for some other opinions.
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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 9:31pm
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Can we see a case and bullet? Cartridge? I agree with MG on the price.


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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 11:26pm
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This is one I would be interested in if you sell. Do you have brass and dies? I love the odd calibers.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 7:50am
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As I said, my load was unorthadox. Rube Goldberg would have been proud.
The cases are from Rocky Mountain Cartridge and had to be trimmed slightly at the front of the rims to fit this rifle (I did 10 and 10 are still unaltered). I had a small variety of .225-.228 bullets and just hand seated them over a light load if Unique. I used Rem. small pistol primers and had no issues with ignition. A 22 Hornet shellholder seemed to work fine for priming.

I would normally offer any rifle like this here first, for obvious reasons, but a fellow who I was discussing the sale/trade of some other guns with expressed an interest in this one, so I have to give him first refusal. If that does not bear fruit, I will be glad to give anyone here the opportunity to own it.
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Reply #8 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:43am
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I am definately interested if your deal falls through. I have been known to "backyard engineer" things myself. Nothing wrong with that as long as it works. Love the long skinny case. Reminds me of the ,25-25 Stevens.
  
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Reply #9 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:26am
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Good morning ...

What's the general opinion of obsolete calibers when it comes to value?  In this particular case, is the rifle worth more than a standard 44-1/2 because of this caliber or less? 

I am a sucker for brass and cartridges like this.  I think I have two original factory boxes of cartridges (one is partial) but no rifle in this caliber!

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Reply #10 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:55am
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Joe, I think caliber has a fair amount to do with desirability. But sometimes obscure calibers can be very attractive to a collector who wants that caliber, but also eliminate a number of others who'd like the model, but don't want the expense of tooling up for a odd caliber.
That doesn't really answer whether it raises the value, but I think it might to the right buyer.
  

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Reply #11 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:12pm
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marlinguy wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:55am:

That doesn't really answer whether it raises the value, but I think it might to the right buyer.


No doubt it would, especially to one who already owned the required dies, moulds, & cases.  But to me, and others not looking for "challenges" (since my daily life already provides an abundance of those), it would be something of a turn-off, except in a really pristine gun.
  
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Redsetter wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 12:12pm:
marlinguy wrote on Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:55am:

That doesn't really answer whether it raises the value, but I think it might to the right buyer.


No doubt it would, especially to one who already owned the required dies, moulds, & cases.  But to me, and others not looking for "challenges" (since my daily life already provides an abundance of those), it would be something of a turn-off, except in a really pristine gun.


Sounds a lot like what I just posted?
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:33pm
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When I was a young man, the only way I could afford antique guns was to buy those in obsolete and obscure calibers.  So back then most people wanted something they could easily buy rounds for, and would bypass a lot of guns that were obsolete.  Back then, you were out of luck trying to shoot a .41 Long Colt, or a 40-70 Sharps.  It's easier now, but I'm sure it's much the same today. 

Single shots are a specialty within the specialty of antique guns.  Add the problem of a specialty round, and your buyer base gets smaller and smaller.  When demand goes down, so does price. 

(note: I could have just wrote "agree with above", but I like to write.)
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 4th, 2017 at 3:29pm
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AZshot wrote on Sep 4th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
When demand goes down, so does price. 


And vice versa of course--anything chambered in .45-70 will probably bring a fourth more than the same gun in any other caliber.
  
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