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Reply #15 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 8:21am
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I don't think the work is original Winchester and probably recently done but very nice.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:12pm
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I bought a couple of 1885's, conceivably from the same collection.
Mine are not original, but of similar quality and style I think.
The spacing of the holes around the Longo name could be from a base for modern scope, mine all came as such. Can't wait to take that scope off.
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Reply #17 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:43pm
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Some of the rifles from this collection were from CPA they had Paul Shuttleworth  stamped on them . I contacted Gail and she said they were not in the CPA records on computer. It sure would be nice if we could find out where they all came from. Centurion Auction was the seller

  
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Reply #18 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 1:46pm
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waterman wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:18am:
I think an engraved Schuetzen Low Wall would have been pre-WW1.† According to the gurus, the Winchester records do not record anything with a SN > 110,000.† Campbell's Vol. 1 has a list that would date the rifle at late 1913 or some time in 1914.† My understanding is that the market for such rifles died with the US preparation for WW1, about 1915-1916.

It should be a coil spring action.† Is it?

Using Ancestry.com, I tried a search for E.L. Longo with birth dates of 1860 and 1870.† I did not get a clear hit, but there are hundreds of people in the US with the surname Longo.† There are also a couple of pre-WW2 wildcat cartridges attributed to a guy named Longo.† One was a blown-out Krag case with a sharp shoulder, reported in a Winchester 54.

Is that Winchester factory engraving?


Unfortunately I cant answer any of these questions as I don't have the rifle yet can you look for  E. L. Longo in the 1900 to 1940 range? I don't know what that would tell
  
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Reply #19 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 4:23pm
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You have a very pretty gun Bill.
I love it but I don't think too much is original.
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Reply #20 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 4:49pm
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WALNUT HILL wrote on Aug 30th, 2017 at 8:38pm:
I'm gonna guess you ride a shovelhead?!

He used to anyway ... as he had to SELL it to finance that beautiful rifle!
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 8:05pm
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You have a Really nice 1885 there , I also got a couple of. Singles probably at the same Auction,a Winchester 1885 in† 22 WCF and I replaced my Burnside that I sold to fund A "73" last Year .

† † Did one of you guys end up with the Providence Machine 45/70?
I was bidding with a I Pad and and had a problem bidding and was unable to Get my next bid in and watched it slip away .
† †† Nice Score s Guys !

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Reply #22 - Aug 31st, 2017 at 10:36pm
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waterman wrote on Aug 31st, 2017 at 2:18am:
I think an engraved Schuetzen Low Wall would have been pre-WW1.† According to the gurus, the Winchester records do not record anything with a SN > 110,000.† Campbell's Vol. 1 has a list that would date the rifle at late 1913 or some time in 1914.† My understanding is that the market for such rifles died with the US preparation for WW1, about 1915-1916.


Is that Winchester factory engraving?


It is a nice looking Schuetzen style rifle, but not of Winchester origin.

Campbell was off the mark concerning his estimated dates of manufacture.  Per the original Winchester factory serialization records, serial number 115308 (the last one recorded) was manufactured on May 26th, 1914.  The year 1913 ended at serial number 114712.  Based on the average production rate in the years 1908 - 1913, the serial number (119732) on the subject rifle  was not manufactured any sooner than mid-year 1917.

As for the rifle, very little of it is factory original.  Specifically, Winchester had ceased color case finishing the receiver frames in August of 1901, offering only a blued frame.  The low-wall was only offered with a plain or a single-set trigger.  The butt plate is the Laudensack style, but Winchester blued them versus nickel plating.

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Reply #23 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 9:15am
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It is a beautiful rifle a little to nice. Iím thinking that the action dates from the 1919 date but the frame and maybe the block are the only thing original. This looks like a high-end project rifle that was done in the last 10 years or so. That is not meant to disparage this rifle in any way. It is gorgeous and little used. But Iíll be amazed if this left the factory in this configuration.

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Reply #24 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 9:19am
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One other thing the only Longo that I can remember is the old Schuetzenmeister in Florida Larry Longo. Maybe some of the older Florida guys could help.

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Reply #25 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 10:18am
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Considering Winchester serial numbered only the lower tang, any action that tang is fitted to becomes what the records show. There are thousands of Winchester rifles with tangs swapped form other rifles to make up fine deluxe versions. No telling what year an action is once a particular tang is installed on it.
  

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Reply #26 - Sep 1st, 2017 at 3:43pm
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I tried E. L Longo with birth dates from 1900 to 1940.  No E.L., but several E. Longo matches from up & down the east coast.  Larry Longo was listed in a 2002 phone book for West Palm Beach.  Longo is a more common name than I imagined.

Does West Palm Beach attract single shot guys?  Farrow lived there for the last 20 years of his life.
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 2nd, 2017 at 1:38pm
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Can someone explain how the lever between the triggers works??

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Reply #28 - Sep 2nd, 2017 at 1:51pm
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I think all there is between the double set triggers is the adjusting screw.
You can fire the rifle by just pulling the front trigger, or you can pull the rear trigger first which makes the front trigger much lighter, a "hair trigger".
The screw between the triggers adjust how light the front trigger is in set mode. Those set triggers add much to the value of the rifle in my opinion.
The set triggers add complexity and increase lock time somewhat.
I'm sure others will chime in on which is best.
Double set triggers (DST's) are rare, very rare on low walls and way cool.
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Reply #29 - Sep 2nd, 2017 at 2:11pm
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There's a Longo cartridge discussed in De Haas's singleshot cartridge book.
  
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