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Reply #15 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:23pm
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frnkeore wrote on Sep 10th, 2017 at 2:08pm:
I think that if you take the forearm off, you'll find a 47, 49 or some other PG Stevens number stamped into the face of the frame.

American Rifleman did a feature article on George in 1934.

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You are correct, the numbers are 45 and 0 and the letters EX on the front of the action.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:25pm
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I have added a few more closeups to the album

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Details of the triggers, the lever, the extractor and the numbers under the forend.

Also, it's pretty apparent that the forend doesn't match the buttstock.  It looks good, but the wood and finish aren't the same.
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:45pm
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Interesting, it's the only model that i would not have considered.

The Model 45 is a straight grip. Your trigger plate was either bent or replaced with a 47/49 trigger plate.

The other pictured numbers & letters, don't really have meaning but, it could be said that it came as a standard 45 (0) and maybe sent back to the factory for modification (EX centered in smaller font).

It's a wonderful rifle, with a outstanding barrel.

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Reply #18 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 9:46am
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The "EX" might relate to a factory-return/modification; but it's always been my impression that it was added at the time of manufacture to indicate that the gun had something "extra" such as better wood, special sights, a non-standard barrel, etc..  In this case it could have very well meant a pistol-grip stock.

How I wish Stevens records were still available!

In any case, it's a really sexy Stevens.

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Reply #19 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 11:25am
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But, if purchased new, it would normally be where the 0 is. I can't remember seeing one with the EX in that location.

No one that I know of has been able to determine what the marks actually mean, since you get variations of the stamps and equipment.

It would be nice if someone could find Stevens records on what they mean but, I doubt that will ever happen. So, we have to go by "guess & by-golly".

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Reply #20 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 12:32pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 9:46am:
The "EX" might relate to a factory-return/modification; but it's always been my impression that it was added at the time of manufacture to indicate that the gun had something "extra" such as better wood, special sights, a non-standard barrel, etc..  In this case it could have very well meant a pistol-grip stock.
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Has anyone observed a strictly "catalog standard" 44 or 44-1/2 with the Ex marking?  I haven't had one in a long time.  But even one so marked would imply a different meaning for the mark.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 2:15pm
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I have what I believe is an unmolested #45 Range rifle on a 44 action that has those same marks.  I don't see any indication that it was ever returned to Stevens.

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Reply #22 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 3:04pm
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I doubt that the wood on your rifle is by George Titherington.  I've owned three rifles that I think were completely his work,  and the wood was rudely shaped compared to yours.  His barrel were fine, his stock making not so much.

An interesting side point:  in his Gun Digest article about the first .22 Hornet, Mark Benenson said that Titherington ground the chamber reamer of Watkins, Woody and Whelen.

Perhaps the best rifle in Titherington's Estate was a .28-30 Zischang Borchardt which stayed with a California based ASSRA shooter for about 50 years.
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:23pm
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jfeldman wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 2:15pm:
I have what I believe is an unmolested #45 Range rifle on a 44 action that has those same marks.  I don't see any indication that it was ever returned to Stevens.

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But a 45 is the first rung up on the options ladder.
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 6:54pm
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This is how my DST 45 is marked, as well as another DST 45, that was posted on this form, early this year.

That's why I said you can't read anything into the markings, accept the basic model number. You can dream though Smiley

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Reply #25 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 7:56pm
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terry buffum wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 3:04pm:
I doubt that the wood on your rifle is by George Titherington.  I've owned three rifles that I think were completely his work,  and the wood was rudely shaped compared to yours.  His barrel were fine, his stock making not so much.

An interesting side point:  in his Gun Digest article about the first .22 Hornet, Mark Benenson said that Titherington ground the chamber reamer of Watkins, Woody and Whelen.

Perhaps the best rifle in Titherington's Estate was a .28-30 Zischang Borchardt which stayed with a California based ASSRA shooter for about 50 years.


I bet the ASSRA shooter in California was the same guy who had this one as well.  He sold the Zischang a while back, but kept this one.  I think he used to visit Titherington before he passed on.
  
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Reply #26 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 10:12pm
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To add fuel to the speculation, does anyone have an as-cataloged 441/2, especially a Model 45, with the "EX" stamp?

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Reply #27 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 10:30pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Sep 12th, 2017 at 10:12pm:
To add fuel to the speculation, does anyone have an as-cataloged 441/2, especially a Model 45, with the "EX" stamp?

Bill Lawrence


If "EX" means "something extra added," then ALL 45s (and higher grades) should have it; that is, except those put together by someone who forgot to strike the proper mark!  Therefore, a 45 without the mark might only represent failure to follow the Stevens protocol.
  
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