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Reply #15 - Sep 10th, 2017 at 8:55pm
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I was wrong! They can be cheaper! Just looked at the Anderson AR 15 that is the company selling all the $50 lowers for guys who want to build them up. Cabelas has those for under $400.
MODEL:    AM15 OPTRDY .223 30R    |    ITEM:    IK - 292740
So I'm having one shipped to my local store for pickup next week. I'll leave it NIB, and when things go nuts I can sell it for a profit NIB. Plus I had Cabelas Club points that brought it down even farther, and used my Cabelas card to add back more points!!! I pay it off monthly, so it gives me an excuse to check gunpowder prices!
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:06am
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if I guessed the number out there was 15 million, would I be high or low?
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:48am
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waterman wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 2:06am:
if I guessed the number out there was 15 million, would I be high or low?


There were approximately 2 million built between 2000-2010, and considering the total years offered to the public of AR15 style rifles, I think your guess might be a bit high for just AR15 types.
  

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Reply #18 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:57am
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The thing that fascinates me the most is the number of calibers available for these rifles.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 11:13am
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possible wrote on Sep 11th, 2017 at 10:57am:
The thing that fascinates me the most is the number of calibers available for these rifles.


Had to go do a search, as I was unfamiliar with the calibers available. Here's the list I found:

•5.45×39mm.
•5.56×42mm(5.56-6.8)
•5.56×45mm NATO - Original AR-15A2 caliber: can also safely fire .223 Remington.
•FN 5.7×28mm.
•6.5X40.
•6×45mm.
•6×6.8 (BHW)
•6mm Hagar.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 5:51pm
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you missed the .300 black out and I think there are some available in 7.62 x 39 but I am not sure how well they work.  There are also some models available in pistol calibers such as 9mm.
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Reply #21 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:12pm
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Schuetzen is my first love, no question about it, but the AR-15 is the greatest rifle ever invented. What other rifle can offer this:
1)excellent target accuracy,2) available in about 48 chamberings 3) buy one lower and as many uppers as you want and change caliber/weight etc in under five minutes with no special tools required
4) infinitely customizable: dozens of grips, forends, buttstocks,triggers  and sights on the market, no special tools required, 5) with the proper chambering, can be used to hunt any North American game, large , small and in between. 6) reliable, (did not used to be but is now),7)also great for home defense 8) the foundation for a great military rifle which has been in service for about 50 years. No other rifle comes close. Joe S
PS: comes in any color you want including black or walnut wood stock if you prefer.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 20th, 2017 at 10:35pm
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As a Marine in Nam they made us turn in our M-14s and draw an M-16. We had the ones with all the problems. Shoot them full auto and ultimately the gas tube would become fouled and they ceased to function. We put drops of solvent down the gas tube and use C-rats box wire trying to clear them. Move on to 1986, I am a civilian shooting the DCM Matches at Perry. They required us to shoot an M-16. First time I ever shot an M-16 on a KD range.  Move on to 1995, the Marines  & the Army have tuned an  M-16.  Sierra has made bigger bullets, the twist rate has gone to 1-8. An 80gr Sierra can hold it own with an Sierra .30 cal 168gr at 600yds. I started shooting this rifle xcross the course.  AR-15 300yd rapidfire prone.   
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Reply #23 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 9:01am
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My fiasco at Cabelas yesterday involved buying a new AR-15 rifle. Definitely not my area of interest for rifles, but it's tough to not want one when prices for new quality AR-15's goes under $400!
Probably wont shoot it a lot, but it is cheap fun, and that's why they're so popular these days.
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 5:43pm
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I own eighteen rifles, all single shots.
My Army experience was limited to a jungle 303 and a Bren Gun.
Yep I'm that old!
Talking to a guy at the range a few weeks back about his black plastic wonder and about how good it was shooting and as to how the prices were pretty reasonable compared to a few years ago.
His advice was to go for an AK with a piston and not a blow back AR because of the fouling.
Or have I got it all wrong?


  
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Reply #25 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 6:00pm
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If you want a combat rifle, AK is hard to beat. If you want a rifle that is a great combat rifle, a great target rifle, and a great hunting rifle, the AR is the way to go. You cannot make a match rifle out of an AK. You cannot swap uppers, or customize an AK the way an AR-15 can be customized.
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Reply #26 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 6:45pm
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"His advice was to go for an AK with a piston and not a blow back AR because of the ...

The AK has a piston system.  He may have meant get an AR in 7.62x39 but with a piston system.

Now with the new BCG coating, cleaning is very easy, NiB, EXO™, NP3™, Nickel Boron Nitride, etc.  Obviously, he would never shoot BP.  Also, the jury is still out on ARs with a piston system.  If it was such a great system the industry would have switched over, to include U.S. military.

I agree with Joe_S, he's on the mark.

BTW - I have a LW, 2 HWs, and 3 ARs (M4-gery 5.56, .223Rem Varmint, and 6.8 SPC Hunter).
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 6:59pm
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I'll forgive you that AR15 if you put a Pope barrel on it.
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Reply #28 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 8:09pm
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The AR-15 is certainly not one of my beloved single shots! And it wont ever take the place of even my least favored single shots. But they are a real bargain, and do what they're designed to do very well. I doubt the US military would still be using them 50 years later if the bugs weren't worked out, and they weren't any good.
As mentioned, the AR15 platform can be extremely reliable, and extremely accurate, which is unusual for a semiauto rifle. Having ammo drug from a magazine, and bashing bullet tips into feed ramps, is not conducive to accuracy normally, but the AR's show they can do so, and still hit at very long distances. They're not just a spray and pray gun like the AK47.
  

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Reply #29 - Sep 21st, 2017 at 8:31pm
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Yeah, I have one too.
Still looking for that Pope barrel though.
I bought it years ago to shoot with my friends in the "Colt Cup"
sponsored by Colt for a few years till they banned them in Connecticut.
Great guns, but I haven't shot it since. (more than 20 years)
It's a pre-ban Colt H-Bar, just might be valuable.
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