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Mystery Sharps Rifle
Sep 12th, 2017 at 7:29pm
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This is my first post to this forum.  I was advised by a number of people that this is a great forum and my questions might be better answered here than any where else.  Besides my questions about this Sharps, I own a couple of red pad Ruger #1's so I'm overdue anyway.

I won what I thought was a Shiloh Sharps rifle on an online auction. The description said "Shiloh Sharps Rifle 45-110 34" barrel beautiful condition"

The rifle showed up several days ago and here is what I found:

The left side of the receiver says "Sharps Rifle Co. Pat. April 6 1869

The top flat of the barrel has the "Old Reliable" logo and is stamped "Sharps Rifle Co. Bridgeport, Conn."

The top flat also has Cal. 45 and then in much smaller numbers 2 7/8

The upper tang of the receiver has the serial number 384xx and is stamped horizontally along the tang in between the 2 threaded holes for a tang sight.

The front sight is a globe AND the rear sight with elevator says Shiloh Sharps

I spoke with a lady at Shiloh and she said that it couldn't be one of theirs because that always stamp receivers and barrel with Shiloh Sharps. It's possible that someone added the rear Shiloh sight. She concluded that it could be an original. I haven't spoken to anyone from C. Sharps but have been able to confirm that their receivers say C.Sharps and not just Sharps.

The gun is in beautiful condition with great case hardening, great wood and a perfect barrel and bore.  I doubt that it's an original and thought it might have paid a visit to someone like Doug Turnbull but I'm told he uses a different process for case hardening.

I will submit the photos right after this message.

Any information you can give me would be very appreciated.

Thanks very much,
Richard

  
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Here are the photos:

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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 7:31pm
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The photos are a bit big

You can scroll left or right at the bottom of the last photo.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 9:05pm
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It looks like it has been reconditioned but I have no idea what they started with. Screw threads need to be checked to see if it is an Italian import reworked to look like an original. The pewter nose cap appears to have been poured in place on the stock.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 9:23pm
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I'm not sure I understand about the screw threads.  Do the imports use a different thread diameter or pitch, or are they Metric vs SAE?
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 9:45pm
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I don't know what it is but the serial number is not correct for an original.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 10:38pm
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Other observations: The case coloring pattern is not period Sharps; the end of the raw-looking lever pin seems too small in diameter and a little short to be Sharps; and the Sharps lever plunger pin spring screw has a domed head rather than a flat one.

In short, the rifle has at least been seriously "reconditioned".

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Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2017 at 11:33pm
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It's definitely not a Shiloh or a C. Sharps.  I'd guess that it's a rebuilt original. 

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Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 1:43am
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Early spaghetti?


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Reply #9 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:51am
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If it is an Italian import it will have metric threads on the screws. That feature is a dead giveaway.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:56am
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I think Joe has it right. It looks like an Italian serial number and the rifle has been rebuilt from an original Italian. You can see that most of the screws have been turned and that's not typical of any Shiloh. The side plate looks like original Italian coloring where as the receiver looks like it's been bone charcoal hardened.  If you paid a lot of money for it and it was represented as a Shiloh, I'd ask to return it.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 11:03am
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screws on the Originals are 3/16 X 28.
I don't know know what size and pitch Shiloh or C sharps use most likely 10 X 28.
I got some repro screws that are 10 X 28 wouldnt fit my original sharps
the Italian one's are going to be Metric
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:35pm
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I"m not where I can check for Metric but I will.

As I said in the beginning, I purchased it as a Shiloh and it's pretty certain that it is not.

As Old Win suggests, I may be better off trying to return it.  The cost of the gun with shipping was just under $1500.  I thought that was a decent deal IF is was a Shiloh. 

I may also have the option of negotiating a lower price on it but if I go to sell it down the road, I'll inherit the same problem I have now as how to honestly describe it.

For whatever reason, I really like the gun though.
  
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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #13 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm
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If you like it and are going to shoot it, are you going to find a significantly better deal?

It appears to be a rebarreled spaghetti Sharps.
  

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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #14 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:02pm
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At least no-one has had to fake Ruger singleshots------YET!!!
  

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