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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #15 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:07pm
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Look under the forearm for any proof marks or makers stamp.  If there are - it's Italian
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:26pm
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They'd be hard pressed to do it unless they possessed an investment casting plant as good as Pine Tree.

I read "Ruger and His Guns" from cover to cover.  I was so blown away by his savy that I ran off and bought another Ruger.

I have a  #1V in 7mm Mag with a 15 power Unertl Ultra Varmint on it that prints sub MOA groups with a good handload.
Get's some smiles at the range too Smiley
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:33pm
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Hi John Boy,

I pulled the forearm and the barrel is clean of any marks.  I pulled the butt plate and there were some stamped numbers and what looks like a small crown.  I haven't disassembled it any further but I do plan to see if the screws are Metric.

To  Schuetzenmiester, I'm leaning toward keeping it for the same reasons you stated.
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:39pm
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It is definitely a Shiloh barrel,probably someone took the 45-110  barrel off and put a new barrel on and sold it and it ended up on this rifle.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 10:02pm
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Hiwall55 wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:39pm:
It is definitely a Shiloh barrel,probably someone took the 45-110  barrel off and put a new barrel on and sold it and it ended up on this rifle.


If it is a Shiloh barrel then it would be an old one.  The C. Sharps Arms company holds the right to the "Old Reliable" marking on the barrel.   The Connecticut stamp on the barrel is nothing I've ever seen on either manufacturers barrels, but that could have been added at any time.

I can say that the serial number format is neither Shiloh nor C. Sharps. 

I'm revising my guess.  I think it's an Italian rifle that's been reworked to look more like an original.   

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Reply #20 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 10:17am
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Don't Shiloh and C Sharps both use different barrel threads than the Italian barrels use?
If the barrel was swapped, then looking for Italian proof marks on the barrel wont reveal anything.
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 10:56am
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The block would also be subject to proof as stress-bearing part.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 15th, 2017 at 3:56pm
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I pulled the screws that fasten the forearm to the barrel and one tang sight screw and they are 10-28's and not Metric.  I now have a pitch gauge and some digital calipers so I'll pull some others and see what I get. 

With my luck I'll find some Whitworth's  Smiley
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 15th, 2017 at 6:13pm
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If the barrel is indeed a Shiloh - i.e., American - then the forearm screw would be Imperial rather than metric.  The same might hold for the tang sight screws.  Suggest you check any of the lock or action screws.

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Reply #24 - Sep 15th, 2017 at 8:46pm
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Sep 15th, 2017 at 6:13pm:
If the barrel is indeed a Shiloh - i.e., American - then the forearm screw would be Imperial rather than metric.  The same might hold for the tang sight screws.  Suggest you check any of the lock or action screws.

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Pedersoli uses 10-28 tang sight mounting screws, not metric. See here:

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Reply #25 - Sep 15th, 2017 at 9:25pm
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Pedersoli uses 10-28 tang sight mounting screws, not metric.


Is that sufficient to postulate that the action came from a Pedersoli Sharps?

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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #26 - Sep 16th, 2017 at 7:35am
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I don't think the barrel is a Shiloh or C Sharps. If you look carefully you'll see some draw filing marks that normally aren't left by those two companies. It looks like the barrel markings are acid etched rather than roll stamped. I also sold a Shiloh sight just like that about 10-12 years ago off my 74 . They are easy to come by. Just my take.
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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #27 - Sep 16th, 2017 at 8:26am
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Bill Lawrence wrote on Sep 15th, 2017 at 9:25pm:
Pedersoli uses 10-28 tang sight mounting screws, not metric.


Is that sufficient to postulate that the action came from a Pedersoli Sharps?

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Absolutely not. It would take more examination and evidence for me to determine what it is, vs. what it isn't.
But a lot of spaghetti guns have been used to fool people over the years!
  

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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #28 - Sep 17th, 2017 at 1:16pm
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I remember a big outfit advertising Sharps parts from a defunct maker many years ago in Shotgun News. Possibly those parts came originally from a source like that. Removing Italian proof would require major "defarbing." Would the owner be better off getting his money back. Then doing some shopping with known makers today. Beats the hell our of a "pig in poke."
  
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Re: Mystery Sharps Rifle
Reply #29 - Sep 18th, 2017 at 7:32pm
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Just me but I think I would try and return it. That is a lot of money and it clearly isn't a Shiloh.



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