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Sep 13th, 2017 at 6:09pm
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This afternoon I got a call , and asked if I would be interested in his Grandfather's Loading Powder .....Well
He came by and it all stayed in my Gun Room LoL Lots are unopened full containers .........Any Issues of
loading and shooting as Normal !!! Can anyone tell age by the containers ????? Thanks for your help Ol Deuce
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 6:14pm
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I have shot old powders packaged like the ones in your photo. During the powder shortage I used a lot of Unique in the old Fiber 4 lb package. Some of my 4759 is very old.

However I am not saying it's safe. I am told powders will go bad and smell, have no direct experience with it spoiling in any way.

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Reply #2 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 6:27pm
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Thank you boats.... the 3031 and Unique is what I use and also the IMR4198 ........The Red Keg of Unique caught my
Eye?????    the 2400 is new packaging and some of the hodgens also  !!!!   

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Reply #3 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm
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  It sure looks good to me! Give it the sniff test. Just like pussy, if it smells good, it is good; if it smells bad, leave it alone.
  

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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
  It sure looks good to me! Give it the sniff test. Just like pussy, if it smells good, it is good; if it smells bad, leave it alone.


I can deal with that test LoL   The Tuna Boat test Tehehe
Those really old cans of BullsEye?????  Hmmmm

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Reply #5 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:04pm
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Old powder that has gone bad no longer smells of the ether but smells acrid.  It is obvious.  Sometimes you'll see a redish powder on the bad stuff.  It ALL makes good fertilizer (nitrate heavy).

Older powder may be slightly diminished in performance - but I'm not sure that I would notice any difference.

I've used powder MUCH older than what you picture.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:15pm
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Cat_Whisperer wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:04pm:
Old powder that has gone bad no longer smells of the ether but smells acrid.  It is obvious.  Sometimes you'll see a redish powder on the bad stuff.  It ALL makes good fertilizer (nitrate heavy).

Oh Ok    Grin Grin Wink Cool   I've got lots of shooting Or lots of
Testing  coming up    Thank You

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Older powder may be slightly diminished in performance - but I'm not sure that I would notice any difference.

I've used powder MUCH older than what you picture.

  

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Reply #7 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:33pm
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   The powder will be OK to use, but keep it in a cool place and keep an eye on it -- wouldn't hurt to look in the cabinet monthly.   What to watch for is deteriorating cans.    Nitrocellulose is thermodynamically unstable, and gunpowder made with it has diphenylamine and other nitric oxide scavengers in it.  When they are used up, the powder is done for.   Emits nitric oxide, which will rust the cans, etc.   The thing to do then is to sprinkle it in the garden as fertilizer.
     I have had some WWII powder go bad, but none of the modern sporting powders.   Curiously, I have one of the old "drums" of HERCO, similar to your can of Unique, and still have some of the little  square cans, one of HiVel #2.   The thing to remember is that it ALL has some finite life-time, which depends strongly on its thermal history.   The cooler it is kept, the longer it will last.   And DO keep an eye on it, especially if you have a lot of powder stored together.   It might make quite a fire if you don't catch a rusty can when you should.

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Reply #8 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 8:47pm
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It doesn't look very old to me. By the way, the year of MFG is printed on the label. Every time I go to the range I shoot large capacity cases using 4759 MFG in Nov 1973. All the powder I see in your picture are much newer than most powders I use.
  
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rgchristensen wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 7:33pm:
DEUCE:
   The powder will be OK to use, but keep it in a cool place and keep an eye on it -- wouldn't hurt to look in the cabinet monthly.   What to watch for is deteriorating cans.    Nitrocellulose is thermodynamically unstable, and gunpowder made with it has diphenylamine and other nitric oxide scavengers in it.  When they are used up, the powder is done for.   Emits nitric oxide, which will rust the cans, etc.   The thing to do then is to sprinkle it in the garden as fertilizer.
     I have had some WWII powder go bad, but none of the modern sporting powders.   Curiously, I have one of the old "drums" of HERCO, similar to your can of Unique, and still have some of the little  square cans, one of HiVel #2.   The thing to remember is that it ALL has some finite life-time, which depends strongly on its thermal history.   The cooler it is kept, the longer it will last.   And DO keep an eye on it, especially if you have a lot of powder stored together.   It might make quite a fire if you don't catch a rusty can when you should.

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Thank You Chris.. Thats good Info  all this powder was a basement  storage  area!!  Mice crapped on some of cans!
But most is still sealed...

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Reply #10 - Sep 13th, 2017 at 11:30pm
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Powder is good depending on how it's been stored. If it hasn't gotten extremely hot or damp, it will be fine. I have some that's 60 years old and is great.
  

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marlinguy wrote on Sep 13th, 2017 at 11:30pm:
Powder is good depending on how it's been stored. If it hasn't gotten extremely hot or damp, it will be fine. I have some that's 60 years old and is great.


Thank you  Marlinguy !!  Grin   Those that are opened seem
to have a good smell  ! More than I can use but it won't go to waste............... Wink   Ol Deuce
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 1:25pm
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That's just shootin' powder here at my place. Plenty of cans older than that here.  In fact, I have a can of Dupont #5 that I shot some of a while ago, and its paper box still contains nice smelling powder that worked swell. About half of my jugs are marked Dupont rather than the newer name. Storage here is good- dry and even temp. No mice to crap on the cans either. Sniff it and load it, Deuce.  Smiley
  
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calledflyer wrote on Sep 14th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
That's just shootin' powder here at my place. Plenty of cans older than that here.  In fact, I have a can of Dupont #5 that I shot some of a while ago, and its paper box still contains nice smelling powder that worked swell. About half of my jugs are marked Dupont rather than the newer name. Storage here is good- dry and even temp. No mice to crap on the cans either. Sniff it and load it, Deuce.  Smiley

The sniff trick saved the day for sure....All the IMR that
had been opened smelled really Good  Wink and the New
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Reply #14 - Sep 14th, 2017 at 2:39pm
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I have a 15# keg of Unique that I bought in 1979 and I am still using it and have no problem.  The way I was told was that if powder has a very strong ammonia type smell to it, then it has gone bad.  I also have 4350, old AA 3100 that they quit making a long time ago, AA Magnum Rifle....not even made anymore.  The only powder that I have had go bad is black powder substitutes, like Black Canyon, old Pyrodex....they end up lumping together and smells like brown sugar.
  
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