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Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:36pm
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Just got bad news that one of the members on this forum (a friend of mine) has lost his house, rifles, and I suspect most everything to fire in Northern CA. I know others on here must be in the same danger. My thoughts and prayers go out to them, and to everyone else involved in any way.

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Reply #1 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:56pm
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JerryH wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 6:36pm:
Just got bad news that one of the members on this forum (a friend of mine) has lost his house, rifles, and I suspect most everything to fire in Northern CA. I know others on here must be in the same danger. My thoughts and prayers go out to them, and to everyone else involved in any way.

JerryH


Is this the same person I also know? John Y.? I spoke with him and he said he was awoken by the sound of fire and barely got out with a few things he could carry to his car!
Breaks my heart to know what all he lost, but he's a strong guy in heart and soul, and handling things better than I could!
  

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Vall,

Yes, that's who I was referring to. I heard it secondhand from another friend.

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Praying for him, and all those who lost so much!
  

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For my information and for others who live in the East how close would you
allow a fire that is out of control get to your house before it would be a good
idea to evacuate?  How fast are these fires moving in an hours time?
   I know back here it is hard to imagine a fire moving that fast.  Now we have
other natural disasters that happen that the West doesn't have but fires are
not too much of a problem in Ohio.
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:52pm
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It would depend on the fire and where you are for determining when to leave.

With the winds they are having these fires are burning the length of a football field every 3 seconds. No typos there, a football field length every 3 seconds.

You have very little to no warning when they first start. I have no idea how I would cope with this. Fortunately I live in the Central Valley and we have no fire danger here.

I do have two cousins in the fire area and wish they would leave, but for now they're staying. Wetting everything down and hoping for the best.

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Reply #6 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 9:56pm
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I live in Northern California, just over 100 miles north of the most northerly of the fires.  The smoke arrived here about 4:30 Monday afternoon, looked a lot like the dust clouds in those photos of the Dust Bowl, except that you could see into it.  Clouds maybe 1,000 feet high & 10 miles wide, coming down the Eel River valley.  The Redwood Valley fire is just over the watershed divide and the smoke blew our way.  Tuesday AM visibility was < 1000 feet.  I could taste the smoke and feel it on my eyeballs.  Tuesday was Schuetzen day.  Really great shooting conditions; no glare or mirage, not much wind.

Our phone & e-mails have been going non-stop since Monday. We have lived here in the redwoods since 1974 and have a lot of friends who have had to move south to stay employed.  People have lost homes, businesses, vehicles, relatives & friends. 

What seems to bother an awful lot of people is the loss of pets.  The fire is coming fast, maybe as fast as 30 mph when going uphill, and maybe it is jumping when a tree crown ignites or gas BBQ explodes, throwing burning material up into a 30 mph wind.  If you live in a mobile home (or a fancy mansion) you may literally have only two or three minutes to grab your stuff and run.  You call the pet, but the pet is terrified & hides.  After a minute or so, you have no choice but to leave.  You can leave the door open, but after that?  And what do you go back to?

You have heard about people being "lost or unaccounted for".  A lot of that is because cell phones just stopped working and the internet crashed in places.  Rural fire depts keep lists of phone numbers and start robo-call warnings to leave, but they don't have a good way to keep the lists updated.  When the smoke clears and the finger-pointing begins, a lot of fingers will point at AT&T.  They have promised redundancy for 20 years but have never done anything.

The fires have closed a lot of the main roads.  US 101 is or was closed in at least 2 places.  There are very few main east-west roads.  Many are closed.

15 mph is 22 feet a second.  The fires can cover a city block in less than a minute in a 15 or 20 mph wind.



  
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Reply #7 - Oct 12th, 2017 at 10:28pm
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waterman,

I'm glad to hear that you're OK. I really have no idea where everyone on the forum from Northern Ca lives, I just know that many could be in danger.

Hopefully some others will check in with good news.

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Reply #8 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 12:00am
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My only experience with fire was a few years back when I had my local fire department burn off about 12 acres of CRP ground that had a long term stand of native prarie grass on it. They did it for a training excerise and I donated cash to their orginazation. They did this on  a calm day in the spring under carefully controlled conditions. Whenever a little wind picked up it was scarry as hell. I can't imagine what the conditions in California are like. Everynone out there needs to be carefull.
  
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cheatin_charlie wrote on Oct 12th, 2017 at 8:22pm:
For my information and for others who live in the East how close would you
allow a fire that is out of control get to your house before it would be a good
idea to evacuate? 


Not sure if there's a blanket answer to your question, as it depends on more than just distance. It's also what's in that distance, and whether it's rural grasslands, trees, or more structures.
Late this summer we had some idiot set off fireworks  in the Columbia River Gorge, and with winds and extremely dry conditions the fire erupted quickly. That area is 25 miles from our home, and close 15 miles from the first heavily populated areas. We had ash falling like snow here, but I had no real concerns to cause me to even begin thinking of packing any valuables. But had it reached populated areas uncontrolled, I'd have begun packing things I wanted to keep, and fill the back of my Suburban as much as possible.
But it also depends on the time of day. With fires moving rapidly, things might change drastically in an 8 hour night, and never know what you might awaken to!
  

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Thanks all,  back east it is hard to imagine what a fire like that is like.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 11:02am
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Speaking of scary. That Gorge fire jumped the Columbia river. If I got the right
place the river is about 2 Km wide at that point but much narrower upstream.
Both the Jolly Mt fire and Norse Creek were spotting a quarter mile or more ahead
of the main fire. That makes ground suppression really dangerous. Cheat grass when
dry is almost explosive.
  
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desert-dude wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 11:02am:
Speaking of scary. That Gorge fire jumped the Columbia river. If I got the right
place the river is about 2 Km wide at that point but much narrower upstream.
Both the Jolly Mt fire and Norse Creek were spotting a quarter mile or more ahead
of the main fire. That makes ground suppression really dangerous. Cheat grass when
dry is almost explosive.


We wanted to share with Washington since it was a guy from Vancouver, Wa. that started that fire!
  

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Reply #13 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:13pm
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Val, When the Cascadia quake comes we will be moving 23 feet to the southwest.  What will Oregon do to get even for that one?  Huh
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 13th, 2017 at 8:32pm
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Schuetzenmiester wrote on Oct 13th, 2017 at 1:13pm:
Val, When the Cascadia quake comes we will be moving 23 feet to the southwest.  What will Oregon do to get even for that one?  Huh


Well hopefully it's more West than South!! Wink I'm thinking a new island off the Washington/Oregon Coast!
  

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