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US Navy Model 1870 rolling block
Dec 17th, 2017 at 9:58pm
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Do the US Navy Model 1870 rolling blocks made by Springfield Armory ever show up?
  
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Re: US Navy Model 1870 rolling block
Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2017 at 5:45pm
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I see two or three a year surface.
Unfortunately many have been altered, repaired, or restored using inappropriate parts. If you are a serious collector you should have the book by Hosmer that covers the Springfield Armory Muskets and rifles.
Prices run a large gamut depending on condition & may cost anywhere from $1000 to $2500. Asking price does not always reflect the correct value or condition of the piece.  Feel free to contact me if I can be of assistance.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2017 at 9:41am
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The 1870 USN rolling block is a really nice rifle.  I bought a very nice one 25 years ago that came with the bayonet and scabbard.  Then I found anouther one at a gunshow that was in decent shape  and having a very good bore.  Shoots very well.  Unfortunately, the buttstock not correct.  As I recall the rear sight is also a replacement.  I got this for shooting because my first one was really too nice to drag around in the woods.  I could probably be pried loose from this one. Send me a PM if interested.

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Re: US Navy Model 1870 rolling block
Reply #3 - Dec 27th, 2017 at 9:55pm
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They do show up from time to time. Here are four of them in my collection. The top three are rejected 1870 Navy Rifles, the bottom one is the most common one found.
Top rifle is rejected 1870 Type I Navy Rifle with inspection marks on barrel and serial number located on bottom of barrel under forearm.
2nd from the top is rejected 1870 Type I Navy Rifle with no inspection marks on barrel and serial number located on bottom of barrel under forearm.
3rd from the top is rejected 1870 Type I Navy Rifle with no inspection marks on barrel and no serial number located on bottom of barrel under forearm.
Bottom 1870 Type II Navy Rifle with with inspection marks on barrel and the corrected rear sight.



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Re: US Navy Model 1870 rolling block
Reply #4 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 12:16pm
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As a kid, back in 1954, I had one that had been converted to carbine length.  No way for a kid to get .50-70 ammo back then.  My grandfather made a sleeve out of conduit so that I could shoot .410 shells.  Did not work very well.

My understanding is that Winchester converted 100 into .22 rimfire for the Navy, as training rifles.  Do those ever show up?
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 28th, 2017 at 8:06pm
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After the 1870 Navy rifles became surplus, Whitney Arms converted some of the rifles to carbines. I believe some of the carbines were chambered in 50-70, 45-70 and 43 Spanish. The photos below are of one of the rifles that was converted to a carbine chambered in 43 Spanish. Sorry for the quality of the photos, they were taken back in 2006.


  
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Reply #6 - Mar 14th, 2018 at 12:55pm
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Did the 1870 USN 50-70 RB come in a 28" barrel length with 2 barrel bands? There is one on guns international looks to be in decent shape. Add states bayonet lug removed and re-blued for commercial sale? I'm new to single shots and the RB appeals to me and being a former US Marine the 1870 USN model seems appropriate. Just starting to learn about these rifles and wouldn't want to over pay for something that has been really altered. Any more insight from the members would be much appreciated. I'm most interested in a rifle that can be shot not just hang on the wall. Thanks.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2018 at 9:00pm
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The carbine in the picture looks to be the same shape as the one I had in .410 as a kid, but the pins have been inserted backwards, probably so the modifiers could put the sling bar and ring on the action.  The original heads, holder bar (whatever) and middle screw were on the left side.  On the right were the eagle crest, USN, Springfield and 1870.  My .410 did not have a sling bar or ring.
  
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Re: US Navy Model 1870 rolling block
Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 3:24pm
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Very nice selection of type 1s by oldremguy. This model is not often seen. The bayonets are not exactly common or cheap either. Probably only 3000 of the type 1 rifles made. The "rejection" by the Navy was an arrangement made for Remington so they could sell the rifles to France for substantially more than the Navy contract. Remington made more money and the Navy was rewarded with extra rifles.
  
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