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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #30 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:44pm
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:00pm:
Profuse thanks? Of course if yours is already a photocopy they might not want it unless it is a really good copy.


If it's profuse thanks, they're most certainly the envy of the publishing world.

I rate this copy better than the ones they make, because it has paper covers like the originals, not those hideous plasticized covers of theirs.
  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #31 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:46pm
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BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
Strange about the dates... the reprint of Catalog #50 shows a date of 1902 on it.
How could the subsequent catalog #51 be dated one year earlier than its predecessor catalog?


It couldn't; but is that 1902 date printed in the catalog, or a guesstimation?
  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #32 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:23pm
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Redsetter wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:46pm:
BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 7:24pm:
Strange about the dates... the reprint of Catalog #50 shows a date of 1902 on it.
How could the subsequent catalog #51 be dated one year earlier than its predecessor catalog?


It couldn't; but is that 1902 date printed in the catalog, or a guesstimation?

The 1902 date is printed, not hand-written, on the spine of the catalog.
Something's fishy.

  

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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #33 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:11pm
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BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
The 1902 date is printed, not hand-written, on the spine of the catalog.


In other words I assume, it's not a date in the original catalog.  However, I think I've just found the source of that date:  there's a catalog date chart in Cope's book that I'd forgotten about, which gives 1902 for #50 and 1904 for #51.

Up to about 1900, catalogs were dated, sometimes month & day, so hard to see the logic in beginning with #50 in '02--unless Stevens really had published 49 catalogs up to that time...a little hard to believe.

But there's something about Cope's chart that is also a bit fishy--he provides numbers for catalogs going through 1942!  Whereas I've never seen a post-war catalog that wasn't dated like those pre-1900.  So don't know whether to trust this chart or not.
  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #34 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:31pm
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Redsetter wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:11pm:
BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
The 1902 date is printed, not hand-written, on the spine of the catalog.


In other words I assume, it's not a date in the original catalog.  ...

Not in the catalog, but printed on the outer cover of the catalog on the spine (NOT on a slip on dust jacket).
  

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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #35 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:46pm
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BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
Not in the catalog, but printed on the outer cover of the catalog on the spine (NOT on a slip on dust jacket).


Has anyone seen a date on the spine of an original catalog?  I haven't, though of course I haven't seen them all; still, inclines me to think it was added by Cornell, which could be checked out.
  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #36 - Mar 25th, 2018 at 10:25pm
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Redsetter wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:46pm:
BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
Not in the catalog, but printed on the outer cover of the catalog on the spine (NOT on a slip on dust jacket).


Has anyone seen a date on the spine of an original catalog?  I haven't, though of course I haven't seen them all; still, inclines me to think it was added by Cornell, which could be checked out.


Is there a Stevens printed (type-set) date located anywhere on or in your #51 catalog?

  

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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #37 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:30am
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BP wrote on Mar 25th, 2018 at 10:25pm:
Is there a Stevens printed (type-set) date located anywhere on or in your #51 catalog?


NO!  If there was, there wouldn't be all this confusion! Beginning with #50, until 1919 when catalogs were dated again, Stevens management apparently thought it would be amusing to keep everyone guessing.

Well, not really, but it's true absolutely that someone decided it would "look better" if a catalog could not be identified as "last year's" merchandise; with only a number, a catalog could seem "ageless."  (Though what can be seen in some numbered catalogs are ink stamps over a particular item that say "discontinued.")
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #38 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:54am
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I just looked at my Cornell 1903 catalog copy.  The covers are paper, not plastic.  Inside it says that it is catalog #50.  Never noticed it before, but there it is in black and white.
  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #39 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 1:12am
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I have an original Stevens #53 catalog, and some pages have the purplish ink stamps over a particular item that reads "This Model Discontinued." It mentions a number of Championships that occurred in the year 1912 that were won with Stevens firearms. One page has a very small 9-01-12 tucked in a lower corner.
Perhaps my original #53 is a revised version of the original #53 catalog, that Cornell made a reprint of and shows with an issue date of 1911.

Phil,
Looking inside my #50 catalog, I see text that says "On January 1, 1902, we were the largest producers of firearms for sporting purposes in the world."
I think it might be safe to say that the #50 Stevens catalog was released after January 1, 1902.

Here's a partial list of Stevens catalogs from Cornell (and it looks like they've already reprinted Redsetter's catalogs so I don't think he need worry about a quid-pro-quo)...
Stevens 1902 - Pope Rifle Barrels and Specialties
Stevens 1903 No. 50 Rifles, Shotguns, Pistols Catalog
Stevens 1903 Gun Telescopes and Mountings Catalog
Stevens c1904 Arms & Tool Company No. 51 (earlier issue)
Stevens c1905 Arms & Tool Co. No.51 (later issue)
Stevens 1907 Arms Company Catalog No 52
Stevens c1908 Shotguns Catalog
Stevens 1908 Guns and Gunning
Stevens 1909 Firearms General Catalog & Component Parts No. 52 (revised)
Stevens 1911 Firearms General Catalog & Component Parts No. 53
Stevens 1912 Arms & Tool Co. Shotguns Catalog
Stevens c1913 No 11 Rifle - Pistol Catalog
Stevens c1914 Firearms # 54 General Catalog
Stevens 1918 Arms Company Gun Catalog
Stevens c1920 Firearms General # 55 Catalog
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #40 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 7:50am
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BP wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 1:12am:
I have an original Stevens #53 catalog, and some pages have the purplish ink stamps over a particular item that reads "This Model Discontinued." It mentions a number of Championships that occurred in the year 1912 that were won with Stevens firearms. One page has a very small 9-01-12 tucked in a lower corner.
Perhaps my original #53 is a revised version of the original #53 catalog, that Cornell made a reprint of and shows with an issue date of 1911.


I've got two original 53s, one with & one without the ink stamps. On the one with the stamps, obviously the revised edition, someone (presumably whoever first received it) wrote 1912 in pencil on the cover.
  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #41 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 7:56am
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uscra112 wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:54am:
I just looked at my Cornell 1903 catalog copy.  The covers are paper, not plastic.  Inside it says that it is catalog #50.  Never noticed it before, but there it is in black and white. 


But where does the 1903 date come from?

Well, I just answered my own question by going through page by page looking for a dated testimonial.  There were none, but on p. 42 is a dated list of Pope's scores, the last one being 1-1-03.
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #42 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 5:46pm
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Redsetter wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 7:56am:
uscra112 wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 12:54am:
I just looked at my Cornell 1903 catalog copy.  The covers are paper, not plastic.  Inside it says that it is catalog #50.  Never noticed it before, but there it is in black and white. 


But where does the 1903 date come from?

Well, I just answered my own question by going through page by page looking for a dated testimonial.  There were none, but on p. 42 is a dated list of Pope's scores, the last one being 1-1-03.

Looks like there's more than one version of the #50 catalog as well, since the page 42 in yours is different than the page 42 in mine.
  

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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #43 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 7:29pm
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BP wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Looks like there's more than one version of the #50 catalog as well, since the page 42 in yours is different than the page 42 in mine.


That was reported by my original (unknown) source:   "I wrote that date (1901),and also the note, "revised 1903," on the copy I have... Only thing I'm sure of is that the original source for those dates struck me as reliable, or I wouldn't have accepted them."

However, 1901 for the 1st ed. may be too early, because Cope gave the date as 1902. 

Clearly Stevens ended their previous practice of dating catalogs in favor of revising undated, numbered, catalogs--seems a sure recipe for confusion.



  
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Re: 1889 Stevens Favorite in .32 caliber
Reply #44 - Mar 26th, 2018 at 8:05pm
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Redsetter wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 7:29pm:
BP wrote on Mar 26th, 2018 at 5:46pm:
Looks like there's more than one version of the #50 catalog as well, since the page 42 in yours is different than the page 42 in mine.


That was reported by my original (unknown) source:   "I wrote that date (1901),and also the note, "revised 1903," on the copy I have... Only thing I'm sure of is that the original source for those dates struck me as reliable, or I wouldn't have accepted them."

However, 1901 for the 1st ed. may be too early, because Cope gave the date as 1902. 

Clearly Stevens ended their previous practice of dating catalogs in favor of revising undated, numbered, catalogs--seems a sure recipe for confusion.




Gotta watch those "original (unknown) sources" closely.    Grin
  

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