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Is this a Rolling Block Pistol (?)
May 28th, 2018 at 4:54pm
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Hello All !

I couldn't help myself and picked up a barreled action that should clean up relatively easily.  It looks like it is centerfire and the bore of this unknown caliber barrel is mint.

Is this a Remington Rolling Block pistol or a No.7 pistol / rifle ?

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Reply #1 - May 28th, 2018 at 6:20pm
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I've never seen a No. 7 pistol-rifle without the special tang sight which is partially inlet into the backstrap.  Also, your action appears to have a rudimentary rear sight, a notch cut into the top of the block; if so, it's not the target version of the pistol.  So even without knowing the length and rough size of the bore, I'm agreeing with Schuetzendave.

Now, seeing as how so many fellas here love to tinker and remodel, here's the burning question:  Do you want to make a reproduction No. 7 out of it?

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Reply #2 - May 28th, 2018 at 7:40pm
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Definitely a Rolling Block pistol, and not a #7 rifle. The top tang needs to be bent out flatter and a different mainspring on it to be shaped like a #7. Plus the cut for the sight previously mentioned.
Not sure it can legally be used to make a rifle even being antique? I've seen them made from pistols, and a couple were extremely good replicas. Just never knew if it was legal or not?
  

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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2018 at 8:16pm
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The legality of such a reproduction is a very good question.

That the No. 7's were themselves made from left over pistol actions is probably a moot point.

However, if I remember rightly, the .44 Russian was the largest caliber the post-antique target versions were chambered for.  So, if the poster's barrel's bore is larger than a .44, I think it's safe to say that the poster's action is an antique.  And it's the action that counts, right?

In short, since as Marlinguy notes, reproductions have already been made commercially at least once, if a No. 7 look-alike is made from that action in a chambering that's no longer commercially available with a long-enough barrel, what exactly would the BATF have to complain about?

Note: I'm playing devil's advocate here just because it's such a neat potential project.

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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2018 at 10:20pm
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you can make  a rifle out  a pistol them yu cant turn it back in to a pistol . you cant make pistol out of a rifle. I looked into this at one time when someone tried sell me a #4 remington made in to a pistol ken
  
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Reply #5 - May 29th, 2018 at 2:42pm
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marlinguy wrote on May 28th, 2018 at 7:40pm:
Definitely a Rolling Block pistol, and not a #7 rifle. The top tang needs to be bent out flatter and a different mainspring on it to be shaped like a #7. Plus the cut for the sight previously mentioned.
Not sure it can legally be used to make a rifle even being antique? I've seen them made from pistols, and a couple were extremely good replicas. Just never knew if it was legal or not?


Definitely the 1871 Army originally in 50 cal. Cases are the same as 50-70 but around 0.93" long. Starline 56-50 cases need to be trimmed a bit or Magtech 32ga shells need to be trimmed a lot.

If I were as fortunate as you to find that I would shoot it as is of the bore has a any potential otherwise I would line it to something a little more common. It would be a real shame to bend and it up or convert to a rifle.
  
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Reply #6 - May 29th, 2018 at 5:18pm
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By the way, there's something about the look of the metal that's been bothering me.  Was it in a fire?

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Reply #7 - May 29th, 2018 at 6:30pm
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I've owned a few fire guns, and still have a couple hanging on the wall of my gun room. Doesn't have that dark gray look that the fire guns I've owned have. Just looks like neglect or maybe sitting in a shed or barn?
  

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Reply #8 - May 29th, 2018 at 6:51pm
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Yep, mainspring shape and attachment point is different than my #7 rifle.
One other thing many miss is that on all the original #7's that I've ever encountered, the front surface of the trigger is checkered, instead of being plain smooth like on the pistols and #2's.
  

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Reply #9 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:01pm
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I've owned a few fire guns, and still have a couple hanging on the wall of my gun room. Doesn't have that dark gray look that the fire guns I've owned have.

Actually it was the uniform dark gray of the trigger, mainspring and what I can see of the internals that bothered me, plus what for me is an odd but again uniform patina on the hammer and block.  But it was decades ago that I saw my only fire gun, so I'll yield to Marlinguy on this (and gladly).

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Reply #10 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:01pm
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OP said the bore was mint.  If it were mine, I would clean up the rust spots, make some grips and shoot what must be one of the last 1871 .50 cal pistols around.  Looks to be a hoot to shoot.  A .50 cal mould that casts a 300 grain bullet ought to be easy to find.

Remember the Remington XP-100, circa 1962?  Remington had to market the pistol before they could market the Model 600 (or whatever it was) rifle because of the BATF regs.  Otherwise they would have been making rifles into pistols.
  
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Reply #11 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:13pm
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I'm with Waterman, put some grips on that sucker and shoot it!
  
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Reply #12 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:26pm
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Thanks everyone.  I don't think its a fire pistol ... it was stuffed in a gunmakers shop in the very hot and humid south.  I think it should clean up easily.

As for what to do with it?  That's a good question ...
  
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Reply #13 - May 29th, 2018 at 8:29pm
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I've seen some unfinished frames that were simply left "in-the-white" take on that appearance over time.
  

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Reply #14 - May 31st, 2018 at 12:48am
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Joe,
I know your dilemma, I bought one of these a while back that's in a 32 cal something, nowhere as nice as yours, in fact has surface patina and a bore that makes one think it was an anchor at one time.  : Sad  I'd like a 22rf in one of these so it may get a liner and become an item I can shoot once in a while.
I'd like to know what you decide to do with yours.
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