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Black Powder and Smokeless for Remington Hepburn
Jun 4th, 2018 at 11:23am
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I am in the process of buying a Remington Hepburn 38-55. Appears to be a later production 1897 - 1904. Would appreciate BP load suggestions. Would also like to know if there are safe loads for smokeless powder. Thanks in advance.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm
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Just to satisfy my curiosity, when did Remington switch from 38-50 Remington Hepburn to 38-55 or were they always available in either in the Hepburn?
  
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Re: Black Powder and Smokeless for Remington Hepburn
Reply #2 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm
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About 17 grs of 4227.  Too bad 4759 is out of production.  I had a little better accuracy with it.
  

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Re: Black Powder and Smokeless for Remington Hepburn
Reply #3 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 1:10pm
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45 grains of Goex 1F with the Ideal 330 grain bullet shoots very well.
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 2:16pm
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oneatatime wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
Just to satisfy my curiosity, when did Remington switch from 38-50 Remington Hepburn to 38-55 or were they always available in either in the Hepburn?


38-50 Remington shows up in 1879 the 38-55 shows up in 1884 for Ballard rifles. It was more popular and superior to the 38-50.It appears that both calibers were offered in later Hepburns.



  
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Reply #5 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:21pm
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Uechi
Being a shooter of both the 38-55 Ballard and 38-50 Remington (Hepburn) I find they are excellent cartridges and capable of match winning accuracy with black, duplex and smokeless powders. Just out of curiosity, In what way(s) do you consider the 38-55 superior to the 38-50?
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 4:26pm
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RSW wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
Uechi
Being a shooter of both the 38-55 Ballard and 38-50 Remington (Hepburn) I find they are excellent cartridges and capable of match winning accuracy with black, duplex and smokeless powders. Just out of curiosity, In what way(s) do you consider the 38-55 superior to the 38-50?



I have no idea. Several references including Tom Roweís book make reference to the 38-50 being replaced. Perhaps because the 38-55 wound up being used in a Marlin and Winchester lever guns as well as single shot Remingtonís, Winchesterís, Ballards, Stevens, Savage and Colt new lightning.In any event 38-55 ammo is still available without the reloading and made the transition to smokeless successfully.



  
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Re: Black Powder and Smokeless for Remington Hepburn
Reply #7 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 6:50pm
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oneatatime wrote on Jun 4th, 2018 at 12:27pm:
Just to satisfy my curiosity, when did Remington switch from 38-50 Remington Hepburn to 38-55 or were they always available in either in the Hepburn?


They were available at the same time Chauncey. Rem. was very good about offering calibers that competed with their proprietary cartridges. They also offered the .32-40 Rem. and .32-40 Ballard at the same time. Plus numerous other chamberings!
  

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Reply #8 - Jun 4th, 2018 at 6:53pm
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The Hepburn is a very strong action and is plenty strong for smokeless powders.
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 8th, 2018 at 5:51pm
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I donít have any original rifles, but in the Sharps, RBís, Hepburns, High walls,and Ballards I have I shoot Blackhorn 209. Excellent accuracy and consistent velocities.
Not many use it. Not sure why (I know itís expensive).
Mike.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 12th, 2018 at 7:16am
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In my original Hepburn in 38-50 Rem am shooting a 340br Brooks bullet pushed by 56gr of 2F Swiss and the 360gr BACo bullet pushed by 60gr of 2F Swiss. Second time out with it was this past Saturday where I shot a 372/450 with zero misses at 200/300/600yd mid-range match. First time I've used iron-sights in over 2yr, so not the rifles fault. Will try again this Sat at the Shippensburg BPCR match. More iron-sights.
I would never sully my rifles or LL Hepburn's memory with smokeless powder.  Wink
  

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